Gaither could be available for less than first round pick

also....with brown,solari,and sing..i dont think motivation will be a problem. how serious was his injury last year? did he finish out the year? i want him in a niner uni asap! this will free up our draft options, and give us a chance to draft a top rated player at a different position instead of reaching for the #4 rated 0T. this is an uncapped year, we need to sign him and p52 to front loaded contracts NOW. if we dont land him, lock willis up for good, and watch gaither go elsewhere to flourish...then yes...ill be super pissed

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
why wait til draft day? Why let the Gayders, skins, or some other agressive teams swoop in and snatch him up prior to the draft?!? If we don't pick him up, AND NOW, I'm going to renew my subscription to dumpyork.com!
I'm beginning to think we wouldn't even draft players unless they made us. I can hear york now......Nah.....we'll forfeit our 2 firsts, and our Second....we'll stick with what we have, thanks anyways.

Get this done NOW, or we officially have the WORST front office in football. I will lose ALL FAITH in Jed.

Seriously? Not trading a high draft pick for a guy that may or may not even be available, that would require HUGE $$$ to sign wherever he goes, with questionable work ethic, and might be damaged goods gets you that heated?

yep...heated pi$$ed! all the reports ive read on the guy say he's as good if not better than oher.no way they let oher go since he's a 1st rounder,on equal level, and cheaper than signing gaither.

He is probably a better LT than Oher right now, so why would they let him go? Oher did not play all that well at LT when Gatheir got hurt last year, nowhere near the level he did at RT. Any team that wants to trade for Gathier will have to negotiate a big contract before the trade, bigger than the Ravens, the team that knows him best, are willing to give him, and then give up whatever it is the Ravens want for him.

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
if we dont land him, lock willis up for good, and watch gaither go elsewhere to flourish...then yes...ill be super pissed

That's because you're a rational human being that understands how thing work, of course.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by foreign49er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
why wait til draft day? Why let the Gayders, skins, or some other agressive teams swoop in and snatch him up prior to the draft?!? If we don't pick him up, AND NOW, I'm going to renew my subscription to dumpyork.com!
I'm beginning to think we wouldn't even draft players unless they made us. I can hear york now......Nah.....we'll forfeit our 2 firsts, and our Second....we'll stick with what we have, thanks anyways.

Get this done NOW, or we officially have the WORST front office in football. I will lose ALL FAITH in Jed.

Seriously? Not trading a high draft pick for a guy that may or may not even be available, that would require HUGE $$$ to sign wherever he goes, with questionable work ethic, and might be damaged goods gets you that heated?

We wouldn't be paying Anthony Davis big "$$$$" and he doesn't have a questionable work ethic? Just saying, same question marks but one has been getting it done in the NFL, the other at Rutgers. And we'd actually be using a 2nd round pick to get a Tackle instead of a 1st round pick, freeing up our options with both 1st round picks.

I'm not for drafting Davis either. Where did you get that from?

But no, Davis' contract (assuming we drafted him at 17) is going to be nowhere near what Gatheir is poised to get.

You don't think the 49ers will draft a RT in the 1st round? You don't think Gaither is better than any RT we could draft? You don't think that our RT will need to get payed at some point? Why not do it now?

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think the 49ers will draft a RT in the 1st round?

Not with the way the draft seems to be playing out, no.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think Gaither is better than any RT we could draft?

Gathier is a LT, I have never seen him play at RT. I believe he has played at LT his entire career. It would make no sense to have your RT be one of the top 3 or 4 paid players on the team, which is what Gathier is demanding. LT's are in short supply and the ones that do come available (we still don't know that Jared is) get PAID! $$$$

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think that our RT will need to get payed at some point? Why not do it now?

Because that makes absolutely no sense.

If it takes a 2nd rounder to get Gaither...I'm curious if it wouldn't be going overboard to move up to take Iupati late in the first....or if we'd even have the ammo to do it.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think the 49ers will draft a RT in the 1st round?

Not with the way the draft seems to be playing out, no.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think Gaither is better than any RT we could draft?

Gathier is a LT, I have never seen him play at RT. I believe he has played at LT his entire career. It would make no sense to have your RT be one of the top 3 or 4 paid players on the team, which is what Gathier is demanding. LT's are in short supply and the ones that do come available (we still don't know that Jared is) get PAID! $$$$

Originally posted by foreign49er:
You don't think that our RT will need to get payed at some point? Why not do it now?

Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Staley is a natural RT, if we get Gaither he will be our LT. Staley has said he is the LT but if coach says he's moving to the right side I don't think he'll make a big fuss.

Gaither is better than any Tackle in this year's draft (especially anybody taken after the 1st round) and he could be available for a 2nd round pick, yet the 49ers have yet to even make a call.

And since when is this team penny pinching? They are the dominant team in a major market who just raised their season ticket prices. If they're taking more of our money they might as well spend some of it.

Yes, we would have to pay a dependable RT either way. Might as well get one who's already proven he can do it.

Or we can draft a RT and hope he works out this year, and if he doesn't then it's another year of Adam Snyder. Personally I'd rather win now then wait around for another player to develop, we've been waiting for players to develop for 5+ years.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
if we dont land him, lock willis up for good, and watch gaither go elsewhere to flourish...then yes...ill be super pissed

That's because you're a rational human being that understands how thing work, of course.

cheers

Originally posted by foreign49er:
Staley is a natural RT, if we get Gaither he will be our LT. Staley has said he is the LT but if coach says he's moving to the right side I don't think he'll make a big fuss.

I don't necessarily agree with that (Staley being a more natural RT). Staley is a tackle, he plays well at both. There is a conversation to be had about that I'll agree. If we get a better LT moving Staley back to RT would only make sense, of course.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
Gaither is better than any Tackle in this year's draft (especially anybody taken after the 1st round) and he could be available for a 2nd round pick, yet the 49ers have yet to even make a call.

I don't agree with that either. Gathier may be a better tackle, but we don't know that. Anyways if you're right why would Ozzy Newsome want to get rid of him, and why hasn't the whole NFL come calling already?

Originally posted by foreign49er:
And since when is this team penny pinching? They are the dominant team in a major market who just raised their season ticket prices. If they're taking more of our money they might as well spend some of it.

I never said they were penny pinching. Don't know where you got that from. Just so you have your facts straight though 1.) the 49ers are one of the lower revenue teams in the NFL and 2.) they did not raise ticket prices across the board. Many ticket prices stayed the same and some seats are now lower. Not that either of those things have anything to do with what we are talking about.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
Yes, we would have to pay a dependable RT either way. Might as well get one who's already proven he can do it.

I don't disagree with this. In a vacuum this makes sense. Pretty obvious common sense really.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
Or we can draft a RT and hope he works out this year, and if he doesn't then it's another year of Adam Snyder. Personally I'd rather win now then wait around for another player to develop, we've been waiting for players to develop for 5+ years.

I'd rather win now too. This team is right on the cusp of doing it! But that doesn't mean that irresponsibly going after one LT that might not even be available is the only way to do it.

^^ We must have different philosophies on winning. If you can address your main weakness with a proven starter instead of an unproven rookie you do it imo. Especially for a 2nd round pick. The only way I would be ok with the 49ers not doing this is if they get a RT somewhere else or spend a 3rd or less on a RT who starts from day 1. Otherwise they are missing out on an opportunity to solidify their main weakness with Joey Staley and have Gaither at LT.

The reason the Ravens don't want to keep Gaither is that he has a bad work-ethic and they have another LT who can take his spot. We need a Tackle and if we're serous about making a Super Bowl run we'll sure up any holes on the roster now instead of later. I believe Singletary could take care of any work-ethic issues and turn him into a Pro-Bowler.

That's just my opinion, obviously yours is much different. Just to be clear though, you think that a rookie T we draft this year or Adam Snyder will have a better season/career than Jared Gaither?

Originally posted by foreign49er:
^^ We must have different philosophies on winning. If you can address your main weakness with a proven starter instead of an unproven rookie you do it imo. Especially for a 2nd round pick. The only way I would be ok with the 49ers not doing this is if they get a RT somewhere else or spend a 3rd or less on a RT who starts from day 1. Otherwise they are missing out on an opportunity to solidify their main weakness with Joey Staley and have Gaither at LT.

My main thought on it is that you, nor I, nor anyone else knows that the 49ers can get Gathier for the 49th pick in the draft. Which for some reason people are considering a given at the moment. I would love to have a healthy, motivated, Gathier at LT with Staley on the right side. Obviously. Ozzy Newsome onviously would want the same with Michael Oher on the Right side as well.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
The reason the Ravens don't want to keep Gaither is that he has a bad work-ethic and they have another LT who can take his spot. We need a Tackle and if we're serous about making a Super Bowl run we'll sure up any holes on the roster now instead of later. I believe Singletary could take care of any work-ethic issues and turn him into a Pro-Bowler.

I really don't think so. You don't just get rid of your young starting left tackle because you have someone that MIGHT be able to take his place (Oher didn't play all that well at LT in 2009). Oher is still going to be on his rookie contract for another 4 years. They could easily sign Gathier to a 3 or 4 year contract and have them both for a long while, then decide which one is the guy that needs the big $$$. Gathier is a better LT than Oher, hands down. One day that might change but it isn't going to be any time soon. Michael Oher is also very valuable at RT, I think that is the position they drafted him to play, and they would love to keep him there. Even if they do deal Gathier I could see them going after another LT and leaving Oher at RT.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
That's just my opinion, obviously yours is much different. Just to be clear though, you think that a rookie T we draft this year or Adam Snyder will have a better season/career than Jared Gaither?

No, not necessarily. I hope Adam Snyder doesn't have to play much, so we leave that alone. But I do think it's possible for a rookie RT to be just as effective throughout the season as Gathier would be (especially if his name is Trent Williams). But I also think we may end up getting a quality tackle that can play either side of the line like Staley can (Charles Brown) and would be totally OK having Staley and Brown being bookends for the next few years and keep that 2nd pick with the hopes of getting a guy like Javid Best or Mardy Gilyard with that 2nd pick as a big play guy on O and a dangerous return-man. The 17th and 49th will probably also make less than Gathier's upcoming big contract alone, so you'd save money and have two players to show for it (and can use that $$$ elsewhere). I don't see Gathier as a need nor a prudent move to have to give up a draft pick AND pay top LT $$$ for. Assuming of course that the Ravens want to give him up and would be willing to take the 49th pick, neither of which I think is true.

^^Interesting opinion that I don't agree with. I think Gaither will be better than anybody we draft and would be steal for a 2nd round pick. I also think we have the money to sign him to a big deal and not have to worry about our tackles for a long long time. I think we can still get an offensive play-maker in the 1st if we use our 2nd on Gaither.

Originally posted by foreign49er:
^^Interesting opinion that I don't agree with. I think Gaither will be better than anybody we draft and would be steal for a 2nd round pick. I also think we have the money to sign him to a big deal and not have to worry about our tackles for a long long time. I think we can still get an offensive play-maker in the 1st if we use our 2nd on Gaither.

That is not what I'd prefer but it wouldn't bother me at all. Only problem is I don't see the Ravens giving him up for the 49th pick in this year's draft. We'll see what happens on that front. The 49ers are not the only team with a 2nd round pick nor are they the only team that could use a tackle.

The ravens tendered him first round money, meaning any team that signed him would have to give up first round pick. Also if you want to trade, it has to be for a high second, niners pick is mid second. Then there is the point that you have to give a contract extension to his liking or you waste a pick. Then there is the point that weather it be the ravens or any other team- they are both waiting to see how the draft plays out. Some teams might get desperate if they don't get what they want and give the ravens more they want to if they don't get that tackle.

You won't see anything happen till draft day. The redskins can't go for him-they gave up their 2nd already plus 4th maybe third next year right? I do hope they go for it though-then we can maybe get one of the three OT in the draft if we don't go for him.

With Gaither on the team

Draft
1.CB Joe Haden
1.DE Brandon Graham
3.RB Joe Mcknight
4.OG Mitch Petrus
5.SS Larry Asante
6.WR Marcus Easley
6.CB Terrance Johnson
7.OLB Kavell Conner