My Ambitious (somewhat realistic) 2010 Wishlist by Position

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

I'm not going to address the Shaun Hill thing other than I believe he is a temporary solution.

I can agree with the rest of your wishlist.

Why not? I hate to approachthings like the redskins, bit when a good player fits well, why not? Even Walsh knew the importance of key free agents

Originally posted by DANADA:
how can everybody have no faith in VD but half the people here still think Alex can be great. I think Vernon is in a much better position to be good player. Have some faith people.

I don't thin much f Alex either

When was the last time you saw a 39 year old fullback?

Originally posted by KknighthawkK_9er:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

I'm not going to address the Shaun Hill thing other than I believe he is a temporary solution.

I can agree with the rest of your wishlist.

Some of it. There will be injuries, and it is impossible to predict now what we will be drafting in a little bit less than a year.

2 major free agent additions would be.......nice, but unrealistic. I would rather draft those 2 positions at some point, whether it be with our first 2 picks or not.

However, if we do not make the playoffs, I do not see how the QB position is resolved, nor is there much of a chance that we do not take a QB in the first round.

Sorry, didn't mean both of them. I just meant one or the other. If at all. I don't even want Wilfork as much as drafting Suh, however if we don't, and we don't go for Merriman or any other FA, Wilfork could fill a need

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

I'm not willing to write off what we already have for a couple of high priced FA's, one of which is coming off a serious injury. If need be, I'd rather address that in the first round of the '10 draft. Who's with me? I know 49erRider isn't.

I believe we have already "addressed" our line issues via the draft. Look how well that has worked out for us. Kentwan Balmer, anyone?

We need a dominant Nose Tackle and Wilfork fits the bill. I agree we might not want to take a chance on Merriman because of his injuries, but Wilfork is not a guy we should just say "no thanks" to just because we'll have to pay the price for him. The draft is hit or miss, Wilfork is a proven commodity. I don't think we should try to get both of those guys, but we should definitely look into obtaining one of them. People who automatically say "no to so and so" just because they don't want to spend the money make me laugh. It's not like we're in a bad cap situation, we have $30 million a year to spend! When your defense is a couple key pieces from being a top defense and one of those key pieces is available, you make an effort to get that piece - that is, if you want to be a better unit.

I'm not saying we should go out and spend big on every big-name free agent, but we're only 2 pieces from being a dominant defensive unit and these two guys can fill the void. They should at least be considered and not written off because you don't want to spend money on them.

On the other hand, we're talking about next year's offseason. We will have seen how good or bad our NT and pass rushers do during the 09 season. Maybe Haralson can become a good pass rusher and we won't have any need for a guy like Merriman. That's entirely possible. Franklin, however, will NOT do well enough to make us forget that Vince Wilfork is available.

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

Way to get that post count up, big guy!

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

I'm not willing to write off what we already have for a couple of high priced FA's, one of which is coming off a serious injury. If need be, I'd rather address that in the first round of the '10 draft. Who's with me? I know 49erRider isn't.

I believe we have already "addressed" our line issues via the draft. Look how well that has worked out for us. Kentwan Balmer, anyone?

We need a dominant Nose Tackle and Wilfork fits the bill. I agree we might not want to take a chance on Merriman because of his injuries, but Wilfork is not a guy we should just say "no thanks" to just because we'll have to pay the price for him. The draft is hit or miss, Wilfork is a proven commodity. I don't think we should try to get both of those guys, but we should definitely look into obtaining one of them. People who automatically say "no to so and so" just because they don't want to spend the money make me laugh. It's not like we're in a bad cap situation, we have $30 million a year to spend! When your defense is a couple key pieces from being a top defense and one of those key pieces is available, you make an effort to get that piece - that is, if you want to be a better unit.

I'm not saying we should go out and spend big on every big-name free agent, but we're only 2 pieces from being a dominant defensive unit and these two guys can fill the void. They should at least be considered and not written off because you don't want to spend money on them.

On the other hand, we're talking about next year's offseason. We will have seen how good or bad our NT and pass rushers do during the 09 season. Maybe Haralson can become a good pass rusher and we won't have any need for a guy like Merriman. That's entirely possible. Franklin, however, will NOT do well enough to make us forget that Vince Wilfork is available.

This isn't Madden, and why would we want cheating Merriman, can he even stay healthy after steroids??

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

Way to get that post count up, big guy!

Originally posted by wysiwyg:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
QB
-Shaun Hill establishes himself, not just a short time solution, but as a winner who can manage this team all the way. Not as a 400 yd/game MVP, but as a guy who can do what needs to be done when it needs to be done, and put others in position to do the same. (He's the only natural leader on our team outside our head coach).

RB
-Frank Gore comes back to form, or at the least maintains. ~1300 yds and 15 TDs, with another 500+ receiving yards. This is not too much to ask for from a running team with some decent receiving targets and a player of Frank's talents.

-Coffee establishes himself as a guy who can gain the short yards. To be honest, this is not something I can see happening.

-Moran Norris becomes the lead blocker of the future. Not necessarily a perennial pro-bowler, but a guy we don't have to consider replacing for the next 7 years.

WR
-Morgan Establishes himself as a #1, Crabtree establishes himself as TD target and a great blocker, Jason Hill stays healthy, Ziegler makes the team and makes and impact. Brandon Jones is on this team? Why?

OT
-Alex Boone conquers his drinking/laziness demons, beats out Snyder and Smith for the starting sport, and becomes a legitimate run blocking starter by 2010.

OG
-Tony Wragge proves he can start once Baas is let go.

C
-I like Heitman. He anchors this line. Just wish that is Wragge starts at OG, and Baas moves on, that Wallace can be counted on as a backup

TE
-Sorry, don't see the long term potential for Davis, and lets face it, there is nothing to write home about behind him. I'm hoping Pascoe shows that he can catch 30 passes for ~300 yds per season. If Davis shows he can do 50/500 then we'll be set at the position with 2 decent receivers and great blockers. Would love a better outlet for Hill tho.

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DE
-I think Smith is one of the best in the game as a 3-4 End. Can Balmer become effective? I hope so! He came out of college with size, athletecism, and strength. But he was raw. By 2010 I hope he can establish himself as a cusp pro-bowler.

NT
-I was Franklin here as a backup. He's a good player, but not the dominant NT that Spikes and Ulbrich alluded to. You need at least 2 NTs and I hope he's #2.

Here are options for the #1 NT:

-Wilfork. Pats won't re-sign him. They drafted his replacement, and they don't really re-sign players all that much. Does he fit here? I don't think he's a perfect fit. We see to like a smaller D-line, while the Pats love their big lineman. The bottom line, however, is that he's Wilfork, and we desperately need a NT.

-Suh - I think he's a perfect fit. Smaller than the 350lb NT, but may just be perfect for the system we are running which likes the Balmer/Ratliff sized guy as the middleman. He's athletic, strong, absurdly productive, and truly a playmaker.

ILB

-Willis develops further. I know people think he's perfect, but I think he's got a ways to go to be the centerpiece of our team. He could be, but may not be there quite yet.

-McKillop becomes the legitimate TED. He makes Willis better and becomes the leader of our defense that we really don't have right now.

OLB

-Haralson becomes an 8-12 sack guy. But moreso, he also becomes a guy that can get after the QB a little more often, make some other plays, and force a fumble or 2.

-Shawn Merriman. I know this sounds redicoulus. But it fits well. We need a pass rusher, he's one of the best ever. His contract is running out, and if he doesn't perform up to par this year --which is not too unlikely due to last year's injury-- AJ Smith may be reluctant to re-sign him for the type of money that his agent will demand. This team is not shy about spending on FAs when they like them, and we currently have plenty of cap space. Also, don't forget about the Merriman/Manusky connection, which may further push this team to pursue him. The big question is how much he wants to stay in SD, and how much the want him back.

CB

-Clements stays healthy, productive, and happy with his contract.

-Terrel Brown and Dre Bly hold their own. Nothing more, just hold their own. Maybe force a few turnovers.

S

-Eric Berry. With 2 first round picks there is no reason we can't target him if our QB situation is sorted out. Maybe the best safety prospect since Taylor, and could be the best safety on our team since Lott. I've said this before and I'll say it again. The correlation between having a great safety and winning superbowls is undeniable.

ST

-We draft a return man. As early as round 1 for all I care. Can we have someone who can take the ball all the way? Rossum doesn't exactly have many years left, and it's looking thin behind him. I really do want a Hester like return man.

I doubt all these things will happen. But its possible that we do draft 1 elite prospect, and sign 1 elite FA is he fits well.

Just bored and thinking about football. What are everyone's thoughts/own wishes?

If this is wishlist for next offseason, hmmm.

QB -- I don't want to reopen that can of 10,000 worms. Suffice it to say that there are too camps. I want to see what Nate can do but I am rooting for both Alex and Shaun to do will. If the situation is not solidified by next year, we'll probably use one of these 1sts. But to say that Hill is the only Natural leader on the tam?

RB -- I love Frank, but no way he makes 15 tds. He'll get 1,000 if he is healthy but Coffee will spell him. Norris is not the FB of the future.

WR -- I want 1A and 1B (Morgan and Crabs)

OT -- I'd like Boone to excel too

OG -- no

C -- not going there

NT -- If we could get Wilfork, great

ILB -- Agree

OLB -- Haralson is already a 8 sack guy

Merriman is not one of the best ever. Derrick Thomas, LT, yes. Merriman is a juiced up punk with 3 torn knee ligaments. Javon Kearse was on his way but petered out.

CB -- OK

S -- Taylor Mays lol

To respond:

QB - you're right, lets not go there. But about leadership. Who else is a true leader? I guess I should have indicated that I'm only talking about guys who'll be around in 2010. I think Spikes will be gone. Outside of him are there any guys you can say are vocal leaders? Not great players (Willis, Smith, etc), but leaders in the huddle?

FB - Don't discount Norris. Look at the pathetic Lions. He was a bright spot on that team.

OLB - Merriman's dominance in his first few years was as impressive, probably even more so, than Willis's. If we say that Willis has the chance to be one of the greatest, we have to recognize Merriman in the same way. You're right, he's not one of the greatest, but he has the potential to be.

S - Mays is fine. But I like Berry much more

Originally posted by King49er:
settle down fellas, we're not getting either of those players

we're not getting both, that's for sure. But how are you so sure we wouldnt' get either? Good chance that both won't be back with their current teams.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

Way to get that post count up, big guy!

Way to incorporate Madden into real life, I know others have failed, but it might work for you.....big guy

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by King49er:
settle down fellas, we're not getting either of those players

we're not getting both, that's for sure. But how are you so sure we wouldnt' get either? Good chance that both won't be back with their current teams.

screw this, I'm gonna join you guys and play some Madden....

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

I'm not willing to write off what we already have for a couple of high priced FA's, one of which is coming off a serious injury. If need be, I'd rather address that in the first round of the '10 draft. Who's with me? I know 49erRider isn't.

I believe we have already "addressed" our line issues via the draft. Look how well that has worked out for us. Kentwan Balmer, anyone?

We need a dominant Nose Tackle and Wilfork fits the bill. I agree we might not want to take a chance on Merriman because of his injuries, but Wilfork is not a guy we should just say "no thanks" to just because we'll have to pay the price for him. The draft is hit or miss, Wilfork is a proven commodity. I don't think we should try to get both of those guys, but we should definitely look into obtaining one of them. People who automatically say "no to so and so" just because they don't want to spend the money make me laugh. It's not like we're in a bad cap situation, we have $30 million a year to spend! When your defense is a couple key pieces from being a top defense and one of those key pieces is available, you make an effort to get that piece - that is, if you want to be a better unit.

I'm not saying we should go out and spend big on every big-name free agent, but we're only 2 pieces from being a dominant defensive unit and these two guys can fill the void. They should at least be considered and not written off because you don't want to spend money on them.

On the other hand, we're talking about next year's offseason. We will have seen how good or bad our NT and pass rushers do during the 09 season. Maybe Haralson can become a good pass rusher and we won't have any need for a guy like Merriman. That's entirely possible. Franklin, however, will NOT do well enough to make us forget that Vince Wilfork is available.

This isn't Madden, and why would we want cheating Merriman, can he even stay healthy after steroids??

I know it's not Madden. If it were, I'd turn the salary cap off and buy everybody available.

My argument is not so much for Merriman as it is for Wilfork.

IF Wilfork is available, how to you figure going after him can only be done in Madden? We have the money to spend. It's entirely possible the Patriots will tag him, and if they do, then he's off the table. It's also possible they won't tag him because they're known for not paying their players, and in that case he'll be available.

Originally posted by AkNiners:
When was the last time you saw a 39 year old fullback?

Tony Richardson?

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by King49er:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
No to Merriman and Wilfork.

Yeah, who needs guys that will make our defense better? Screw that! Let's just keep what we already have and hope we generate a pass-rush out of thin air! Who's with me!? I know AXEGRINDER is.

I'm not willing to write off what we already have for a couple of high priced FA's, one of which is coming off a serious injury. If need be, I'd rather address that in the first round of the '10 draft. Who's with me? I know 49erRider isn't.

I believe we have already "addressed" our line issues via the draft. Look how well that has worked out for us. Kentwan Balmer, anyone?

We need a dominant Nose Tackle and Wilfork fits the bill. I agree we might not want to take a chance on Merriman because of his injuries, but Wilfork is not a guy we should just say "no thanks" to just because we'll have to pay the price for him. The draft is hit or miss, Wilfork is a proven commodity. I don't think we should try to get both of those guys, but we should definitely look into obtaining one of them. People who automatically say "no to so and so" just because they don't want to spend the money make me laugh. It's not like we're in a bad cap situation, we have $30 million a year to spend! When your defense is a couple key pieces from being a top defense and one of those key pieces is available, you make an effort to get that piece - that is, if you want to be a better unit.

I'm not saying we should go out and spend big on every big-name free agent, but we're only 2 pieces from being a dominant defensive unit and these two guys can fill the void. They should at least be considered and not written off because you don't want to spend money on them.

On the other hand, we're talking about next year's offseason. We will have seen how good or bad our NT and pass rushers do during the 09 season. Maybe Haralson can become a good pass rusher and we won't have any need for a guy like Merriman. That's entirely possible. Franklin, however, will NOT do well enough to make us forget that Vince Wilfork is available.

This isn't Madden, and why would we want cheating Merriman, can he even stay healthy after steroids??

I know it's not Madden. If it were, I'd turn the salary cap off and buy everybody available.

My argument is not so much for Merriman as it is for Wilfork.

IF Wilfork is available, how to you figure going after him can only be done in Madden? We have the money to spend. It's entirely possible the Patriots will tag him, and if they do, then he's off the table. It's also possible they won't tag him because they're known for not paying their players, and in that case he'll be available.

because you don't buy Championships in the NFL, you build them through the draft...