Originally posted by WheresWaldo: What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.
NO, let's just run an offense that will pad his stats so you can say he isn't a bust and let the team sort out the losses.
Teams model their offenses around the quarterbacks strengths, not weaknesses. Our organization has been so bad the past 5 or 6 years that nobody realized Alex can only play in the spread.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
It's simpler than that:
Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.
I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.
Originally posted by WheresWaldo: What an awesome idea! Make Alex play all snaps from under center. He'll definitely succeed that way.
NO, let's just run an offense that will pad his stats so you can say he isn't a bust and let the team sort out the losses.
Teams model their offenses around the quarterbacks strengths, not weaknesses. Our organization has been so bad the past 5 or 6 years that nobody realized Alex can only play in the spread.
But first, the team incorporates a winning philopsophy and with this team, it's running the ball, playaction, and throwing to it's running back.
Alex is an NFL QB and I'm sure he has enough skill to learn to drop back. He will be a much better QB for doing so. His stats have better potential if he can do that.
Specialist offenses such as Shotgun or Spread in the NFL are more effectively used for "winning time" situations in a game. If used too often, they get figured out by top level teams.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
It's simpler than that:
Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.
I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.
We won more games when we got away from the Raye Gun. It helps in parts of a game, but it hurts when that's all you got.
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry: Yes, let's not be like a team that could've gone undefeated if they wanted to, and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
It's simpler than that:
Their 1 Super Bowl and multiple playoff wins every year are better than our 1 playoff win in the last 10 years. Obviously what they're doing is far better than what we're doing.
I'd love it if we could complain about losing the Super Bowl, but we're too busy looking at Mock Drafts in November.
We won more games when we got away from the Raye Gun. It helps in parts of a game, but it hurts when that's all you got.
You're arguing against a perennial Super Bowl contender.
I'm not saying the shotgun offense is right for us, but I don't think there's anything wrong with what the Colts are doing offensively.
Originally posted by solidg2000: Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.
This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders
Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?
You do know they are usually the favorites every year but keep getting knocked out except for one time, right? They rely too much on one style. If they were able to set up more misdirection with the run, Manning would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, everyone knows the Colts will never be a threat to run so the defenses will never be fooled.
The problem with that statement is that regardless of how how much of a run game they have (or don't have), the Colts play action plays are still very, very effective. The experts always talk about how one would think the Colts couldn't run play action without having a running attack, yet they are very effective with it, week in and week out. So to say that defenses will never be fooled is not an accurate statement. True, especially in the first half, the Saints pretty much sold out to the pass and ignored the possibility of a run, which would make the play action ineffective. But that's when Manning went under center and handed it to Addai who ran straight up the middle for 10+ yards per carry. That doesn't seem one dimensional to me.
Originally posted by solidg2000: Colts passed 45 times
Saints passed 39 times
Saints threw the ball way more then the Colts all game, Colts didn't catch up until the last 5 mins.
This game was only close because of costly drops by the colts and poor defensive performance. Games like this show why the colts need Bob Sanders
Joe Cool, you do know the colts have won a SB recently right?
You do know they are usually the favorites every year but keep getting knocked out except for one time, right? They rely too much on one style. If they were able to set up more misdirection with the run, Manning would be unstoppable. Unfortunately, everyone knows the Colts will never be a threat to run so the defenses will never be fooled.
The problem with that statement is that regardless of how how much of a run game they have (or don't have), the Colts play action plays are still very, very effective. The experts always talk about how one would think the Colts couldn't run play action without having a running attack, yet they are very effective with it, week in and week out. So to say that defenses will never be fooled is not an accurate statement. True, especially in the first half, the Saints pretty much sold out to the pass and ignored the possibility of a run, which would make the play action ineffective. But that's when Manning went under center and handed it to Addai who ran straight up the middle for 10+ yards per carry. That doesn't seem one dimensional to me.
Yes but even after the run was working, they still went to shotgun more often when it was a passing play. The offense failed because they should have called on more playaction from that success of running. It just seems like they think they must have an obvious passing formation in order for them to have success passing the ball, which was their downfall.
Only one team is actually a threat to use all of its talent.
When a predictable team plays agianst a top level team, the predictable team loses more often than wins which is why the Colts only have 1 SB win in 10+ years when they should have had more by now.
Hmm - now this statement ... I don't know. You have consider circumstances, game-time events.
I think the Jets lost because they lost Shon Green quite honestly. Check the game tape. It completely turned around for the Colts when the Jets couldn't run. This gave the Manning-led offense more opportunities against the Jet defense.
Here are other examples:
1998 49ers should have beat the Falcons, but when Hearst gets hurt, game completely changes - no run threat.
1998 Vikings should have beat the Falcons, but when they went away from what they usually do (down-field passing), they lost.
1990 49ers should have beat the Giants and were well on their way to doing so until a rare Craig fumble, very un-predictable.
To some degree there are plays in big games that are flukes - you just can't plan for them, you can only increase your chances of winning by doing what you do best and hoping the other guy makes a mistake or has a key injury.
Your post makes good sense. This was what I was afraid of as well, when the Niners switched to a spread/shotgun offense. It only works so much; when you are a 1 dimensional offense, you will run into a defense that can stop that. The bend but don't break mentality that Saints used last night worked; ya, they blitzed, played man to man, but on half those plays you couldn't even see the safety on the screen pre-snap.
Not only that, you have one of the greatest QB's leading that offense, some of those passes that Manning made in the first half were flat out amazing (the pass to Clark with 3 around him, the back-peddling laser he threw to Collie). I don't see Alex doing the same thing with this offense, we need to be more balanced.
Ya, he's been to the SB twice, and he beat a good Bears defense the first time, but lets face it, he was facing Grossman...and Peyton didn't have that good of a game either. In big games, against GREAT teams, being 1 dimensional will not work most of the time.
If Manning doesn't throw that pick 6, and the Colts went on to win the game, something tells me that there would be a thread here on the zone about how the Spread is the best offense.
There was nothing wrong with the Colts offense. It moved the ball when it was on the field. The problem was, they weren't on the field much. Plus Addai had like 76 yards on just 9 carries at one point.
The Colts loss bc there defense couldn't get off the field.
The Colts offense is > 95% of the rest of the league.
Feb 8, 2010 at 12:44:59 