Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
John, to be fair fangraphs is literally the standard for Sabermetrics as it basically takes every single calculation that Bill James has ever conceived and tied it into their website (fWAR is a slight derision). They're also the only site that's allowed to post his projections from his handbook if I remember correctly. They're far and beyond the best source of information like that, so I'd say you should probably go off those numbers. Basically, fWAR's offensive rating is the same for all players (wOBA), whereas rWAR's varies based on the quality of the player's teams' offense, which is why Fangraphs' is more generally accepted in my opinion.
No one's saying their word should be taken for gospel, but to not delve into things other than BA, HR's and RBI's to determine how good a player is, is just silly in this day and age. There's a reason this guy has been working with the Red Sox for the last 10+ years and it's because a lot of his philosophies ring true. WAR is definitely an important stat when determining the success/value of a player, but not the end-all-be-all.
I dont disagree that some sabermetrics stats are useful. My ONLY point in the whole debate was that Joey Votto is clearly not head and shoulders above everyone else and that to say "its not even close" was just ridiculous. I love Votto as a player but he plays in probably the best hitters park in the majors and his road splits are not quite as strong. I also believe ( and its just my bias perhaps) that a first baseman has to be WAY ahead in the hitting stats to be considered the best player in the game. Pujols was that kind of guy in his prime years. I dont think Votto is at that level. Great... of course. Top 5 probably. The best and its not even close - no way.