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2012 NBA Offseason Thread

Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by jrg:


Spurs new unis

Good Lord, that might be the ugliest uniform I've ever seen.

IS this their home or away jersey?

Alternate. Fortunately, they're only wearing them a dozen times.

They look like knock offs of bad And 1 jerseys.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by jrg:


Spurs new unis

Good Lord, that might be the ugliest uniform I've ever seen.

IS this their home or away jersey?

Alternate. Fortunately, they're only wearing them a dozen times.

They look like knock offs of bad And 1 jerseys.

Look like Summer League jerseys to me.
Looks like they're primed for the impending sponsorship ads to me.
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Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Looks like they're primed for the impending sponsorship ads to me.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
They look like knock offs of bad And 1 jerseys.

lol these lol
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by marshniners24:
LA that first lineup is horrid defensively lol

Dwight makes up for a lot of deficiencies. Orlando was always a good defensive team, despite having lineups like Nelson/Carter/Turk/Lewis around D12. Nash & Jamison are terrible, but Kobe's still a good defender and Meeks is above average. That's a good defensive lineup (mostly because of Howard) and a great offensive one.

I don't know. He's coming off a back injury so we'll see if he has the same explosiveness (im assuming he does).

But Kobe at SF is not a good match up for another year older Kobe Bryant. Let's not forget mid year he was looking pretty sluggish last year(for Kobe) despite having a good overal year.
Nash-turrible
Meeks-average
Kobe @ SF- below average/average
Jamison- turrible
Howard- good

We'll see
Originally posted by marshniners24:
I don't know. He's coming off a back injury so we'll see if he has the same explosiveness (im assuming he does).

But Kobe at SF is not a good match up for another year older Kobe Bryant. Let's not forget mid year he was looking pretty sluggish last year(for Kobe) despite having a good overal year.
Nash-turrible
Meeks-average
Kobe @ SF- below average/average
Jamison- turrible
Howard- good

We'll see

Without boring you with the details, the back surgery that Howard have should have no long term implications, and he should return to 100%. If you're at all interested in why, read this thread, which is a recap of the chief orthopaedic surgeon at Cedar-Sinai and his explanation of Dwight's particular injury. Many people hear "bad back" and think that one injury is just as bad as the other, but this particular surgery should yield no long term effects.

There are a small group of SFs that couple would struggle guarding, like LeBron, Melo, Gay, & Durant, but that list is only like 4 or 5 deep. Beyond that Top 5 you have guys like Batum, Dudley, Prince, Gerald Wallace, Marion, Leonard, etc. Kobe wouldn't have any problem defending any of those dudes.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
When Nash goes to the bench, I expect Steve Blake to take his spot and that's when I foresee the Lakers running a lot more Princeton. Like I said, Princeton's a lot like the Triangle in the respect that it's not as PG-intensive, so I expect Kobe's facilitating and Pau's passing skills to be emphasized when Nash is off of the court. I don't think we'll ever see that lineup of Kobe/Artest/Jamison/Gasol/Howard. The footspeed on the defensive end 1-3 is bad, as is the spacing on the offensive end. Slow on defense, congested on offense.

I think Nash & Howard should be tied together as much as possible, with Meeks & Jamison tagging along for part of that. Nash's bread & butter is the pick & roll, and putting guys in the position to just finish off of that. Howard's great at setting the screen, rolling quickly to the hoop, and either finishing or collapsing the defense in a very serious way. When that happens, there need to be catch & shoot players on the perimeter, which is where Jamison & Meeks come in at the 2 & 4 positions. I could see a lineup of Nash/Meeks/Kobe/Jamison/Howard being incredibly effective when we're looking to be more pick & roll intensive. It also spreads the floor for Howard in a way that Artest & Pau don't.

Obviously Pau needs big minutes too though, and having him on the court with Howard will hardly be a bad thing. But outside of the starting lineup, I think (hope) we're going to have one group that's built around the PnR abilities of Nash/Howard, and another that's built around the read & react abilities of Kobe/Gasol.

PnR lineup...

PG: Steve Nash
SG: Jodie Meeks
SF: Kobe Bryant/Ron Artest/Devin Ebanks
PF: Antawn Jamison
C: Dwight Howard

Princeton lineup...

PG: Steve Blake
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Jordan Hill
C: Pau Gasol

It obviously won't be that cut & dry, but the Lakers have a lot of flexibility with this roster, and Princeton makes a lot of sense as long as it's not stepping on Nash's toes.

I like Meeks, I think he is under-rated and on a team loaded with talent and size...he will be lethal from distance. I really like the lineup of Nash, Meeks, Kobe, Jamison, Dwight for the Lakers. That looks scary good. You don't think Meeks can play PG in Princeton offense? I'd like him over Blake. I'm curious why you like Blake over him? I mean, of course Blake is a true PG...but I feel Meeks is enough of ball handler to play PG in a Prineton/triangle type offense. You thoughts?

PnR is going to be so scary with Nash and Dwight. It will be a nightmare for defenses.

Lakers roster is so loaded...only question is how quickly they can gel. With Nash and Kobe on the team - they will adjust quickly.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
I like Meeks, I think he is under-rated and on a team loaded with talent and size...he will be lethal from distance. I really like the lineup of Nash, Meeks, Kobe, Jamison, Dwight for the Lakers. That looks scary good. You don't think Meeks can play PG in Princeton offense? I'd like him over Blake. I'm curious why you like Blake over him? I mean, of course Blake is a true PG...but I feel Meeks is enough of ball handler to play PG in a Prineton/triangle type offense. You thoughts?

PnR is going to be so scary with Nash and Dwight. It will be a nightmare for defenses.

Lakers roster is so loaded...only question is how quickly they can gel. With Nash and Kobe on the team - they will adjust quickly.

The thought hadn't crossed my mind, but Meeks at backup PG is a very interesting idea. It's not that I like Blake over Meeks, it's that I think he'll get the backup PG minutes and Meeks hadn't even crossed my mind in that spot. Obviously not the prototypical PG, but that's fine within a Princeton framework. Definitely worth exploring in training camp.
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Looks like they're primed for the impending sponsorship ads to me.

Pretty much this. Lots of available space on that jersey.

Would be truer to San Antonio and its culture with certain colors and sponsors, IMO.

From a spurs fan website:



[ Edited by ItouchMyself on Sep 20, 2012 at 10:10 AM ]
They've been showing some great games on NBA TV this offseason. The game that's on right now is one of Don Nelson's "I'm trying to get cute and that's why I coached 30+ years without ever making an NBA Finals" moments. I'm watching Byron Houston (a 6'2" PF) trying to guard Charles Barkley in single coverage. IIRC, Barkley ended up with 56 points in this game and Phoenix won.

EDIT: The score after the first quarter is 44-40. Barkley has 27 points on 11-11 shooting...in the first quarter.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Sep 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
They've been showing some great games on NBA TV this offseason. The game that's on right now is one of Don Nelson's "I'm trying to get cute and that's why I coached 30+ years without ever making an NBA Finals" moments. I'm watching Byron Houston (a 6'2" PF) trying to guard Charles Barkley in single coverage. IIRC, Barkley ended up with 56 points in this game and Phoenix won.

EDIT: The score after the first quarter is 44-40. Barkley has 27 points on 11-11 shooting...in the first quarter.

Love me some vintage Suns Barkley


Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Love me some vintage Suns Barkley



He's so fun to watch. Total matchup nightmare. My impression is that people remember him as a bruiser...which he was...but he also had some serious perimeter skills and was as tenacious as any player that's ever played. I know young kids see him as a fat commentator, but he was a serious athlete in his day.

I see him as a fat commentator lol
My top Barkley memory was from a regular season game against the Spurs. He had the ball at the top of the key and was lining up for a last second shot. Robinson was guarding him. Barkley was spinning the ball in his hands, looking at the clock, and I was screaming TRAVELING!!!!!!!! Then he made his move and shot the game winner over Robinson.

I was so angry. I don't even know if it was technically traveling, lol, I was just being a passionate (dumb) fan.

edit: It was a playoff game AND the last game at HemisFair; no wonder I was so pissed

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1993_1130700/barkley-s-last-second-shot-helps-suns-put-away-spu.html
[ Edited by ItouchMyself on Sep 20, 2012 at 11:24 AM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
He's so fun to watch. Total matchup nightmare. My impression is that people remember him as a bruiser...which he was...but he also had some serious perimeter skills and was as tenacious as any player that's ever played. I know young kids see him as a fat commentator, but he was a serious athlete in his day.


That was LeBron like.
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