2013 Defending World Champion San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Belt is a GG caliber first baseman, I just don't see the point in it. Arias isn't that big of an upgrade over Torres/Blanco in LF. If Kiesch gets healthy he may fight for a spot on the team, but I think he'd be the only position player to do so.

Roger Kieschnick RF. Bats like crazy in minors. Can't keep it up with the big guys. Needs a long hard look? How about Pegs - Francisco? We need some heavy hitters tan pronto como sea posible.

Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by RogerCraig:
We definitely need a power hitting stud muffin. Don't see anything in the minors , so either by FA or trade. A left fielder who can frighten opposing pitchers Gregor Blanco oder Andr�s Torres just doesn't do it.

A solution would be:

1B Pablo
3B Arias
LF Belt

Late innings you move Belt to first and sub Pablo with Blanco/Torres.

This idea needs to be put to rest. Brandon Belt is an awful OF. Hes a GG caliber 1B. He wants to play 1B, and we brought him up to play 1B. Pablo tried playing 1B last year and pulled his hammy stretching for a ball. Arias isnt an everyday type player.

To shuffle two guys who play above average defense at their current and natural positions, to positions theyd be defensive liabilities, just to upgrade Blanco to Arias in the lineup? Is that even an upgrade? Terrible idea, will never happen.

Yep. Belt is our first baseman. He might play a few games in LF when Posey goes to first but that is it.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

Would you rather trade some top prospects for morse.... have s**tty outfielders in Gomes and Hairston... who are average in every category
or two players who are excellent at defense, speed/baserunning and ok at everything else?

I'll take the plus defense/speed over average players in Hairston/Gomes.

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

Would you rather trade some top prospects for morse.... have s**tty outfielders in Gomes and Hairston... who are average in every category
or two players who are excellent at defense, speed/baserunning and ok at everything else?

I'll take the plus defense/speed over average players in Hairston/Gomes.

The Giants need to have some punch in their lineup. So, yes. I would have preferred Gomes or Hairston in a platoon with Blanco rather than Torres. As for Morse, I dont think Seattle had to give up that much for him. John Jaso and a prospect? He would have really made our lineup a strong one.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
The Giants need to have some punch in their lineup. So, yes. I would have preferred Gomes or Hairston in a platoon with Blanco rather than Torres. As for Morse, I dont think Seattle had to give up that much for him. John Jaso and a prospect? He would have really made our lineup a strong one.

But this team is not based on power hitting.

I do agree with you.
But you look at how this team was built... speed, defense, and timely hitting.... it fits what Sabean is trying to do.

It really sucks what happened with Melky. I wish he was still with us. Damn shame. I think we will miss him.

I have brought this up before... I think you have to factor in expected growth of young players, Belt and Crawford... hopefully you get some more power from Belt.
Also the addition of Hunter Pence - he is a 20+ HR guy. Thats going to be a big boost I think most people over look. You have power from RF, 1B, C, and 3B and speed in LF/CF, solid defense and decent hitter at short, sound player at 2nd.....

Thats a pretty complete offense and defense IMO.
Hopefully with guys like Peguero, GBrown - they can come up and contribute and add some depth.

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
The Giants need to have some punch in their lineup. So, yes. I would have preferred Gomes or Hairston in a platoon with Blanco rather than Torres. As for Morse, I dont think Seattle had to give up that much for him. John Jaso and a prospect? He would have really made our lineup a strong one.

But this team is not based on power hitting.

I do agree with you.
But you look at how this team was built... speed, defense, and timely hitting.... it fits what Sabean is trying to do.

It really sucks what happened with Melky. I wish he was still with us. Damn shame. I think we will miss him.

I have brought this up before... I think you have to factor in expected growth of young players, Belt and Crawford... hopefully you get some more power from Belt.
Also the addition of Hunter Pence - he is a 20+ HR guy. Thats going to be a big boost I think most people over look. You have power from RF, 1B, C, and 3B and speed in LF/CF, solid defense and decent hitter at short, sound player at 2nd.....

Thats a pretty complete offense and defense IMO.
Hopefully with guys like Peguero, GBrown - they can come up and contribute and add some depth.

It is very unlikely that either Peguero or Brown will contribute much this year. Both still need at bats in the minors. Personally, I think we will all be going crazy with the lack of production in LF. We shall see though.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
The Giants need to have some punch in their lineup. So, yes. I would have preferred Gomes or Hairston in a platoon with Blanco rather than Torres. As for Morse, I dont think Seattle had to give up that much for him. John Jaso and a prospect? He would have really made our lineup a strong one.

But this team is not based on power hitting.

I do agree with you.
But you look at how this team was built... speed, defense, and timely hitting.... it fits what Sabean is trying to do.

It really sucks what happened with Melky. I wish he was still with us. Damn shame. I think we will miss him.

I have brought this up before... I think you have to factor in expected growth of young players, Belt and Crawford... hopefully you get some more power from Belt.
Also the addition of Hunter Pence - he is a 20+ HR guy. Thats going to be a big boost I think most people over look. You have power from RF, 1B, C, and 3B and speed in LF/CF, solid defense and decent hitter at short, sound player at 2nd.....

Thats a pretty complete offense and defense IMO.
Hopefully with guys like Peguero, GBrown - they can come up and contribute and add some depth.

It is very unlikely that either Peguero or Brown will contribute much this year. Both still need at bats in the minors. Personally, I think we will all be going crazy with the lack of production in LF. We shall see though.

If you switched Pence to LF and the platoon to right, it doesn't look as bad

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
If you switched Pence to LF and the platoon to right, it doesn't look as bad

Still looks pretty awful. BUT.. GO NINERS!!!!!!!!!!!

As much as I love the Giants, I can't even think about baseball right now.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Belt is a GG caliber first baseman, I just don't see the point in it. Arias isn't that big of an upgrade over Torres/Blanco in LF. If Kiesch gets healthy he may fight for a spot on the team, but I think he'd be the only position player to do so.

Roger Kieschnick RF. Bats like crazy in minors. Can't keep it up with the big guys. Needs a long hard look? How about Pegs - Francisco? We need some heavy hitters tan pronto como sea posible.

Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

I think Mac Williamson (6'4", 240, projected 5-tool player) could be a better version of Kieschnick, or at least a healthier version at least. He'll probably start off in San Jose so I'll see a lot of him this spring/summer.

i miss Nasty Nate. much better IMO than Blanco/Torres

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

Was under the impression Roger has had at least one stint in Spring Training.

Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Not sure how you say that Kieschnick cant keep up with the big guys when he has never played in the majors. His biggest problem has been health as he has had back problems the past 2 years. If not for the injuries I would say he is a better prospect than Peguero. I wasnt impressed all that much with Peguero other than his speed.

Sabean could have gone after Michael Morse, Hairston, or Gomes but he must like Torres/Blanco for some unknown reason.

Was under the impression Roger has had at least one stint in Spring Training.

Gary Brown, Roger Kieshnick, and several Giants minor leaguers had some at bats in spring training. They never had a chance to make the team and that would hardly count anyway as not being able to keep up.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Gary Brown, Roger Kieshnick, and several Giants minor leaguers had some at bats in spring training. They never had a chance to make the team and that would hardly count anyway as not being able to keep up.

Great, then let's hope Roger can contribute in the majors.

Baseball America has come out with the Giants top prospect list.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2013/2614593.html


Clearly the Giants need to develop better everyday players in the organization.