2012 NBA Draft Thread

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
That usually happens when you have no argument. But I guess interviewees are not allowed to attack back when their profession or they are being disrespected.

I can't argue with a basic miscomprehension of English. I'm sitting here with my mouth agape at your failure to grasp language on such a basic level. You think that Rome's question was a loaded one, when a "no" response does not admit any guilt. If you can't understand that, there's nothing to discuss. You never cease to amaze me.

Then in that case, any question can be answered with a simple "no" or "that's not true." same as the question to Rome. Not sure what we are debating here.

Loaded Question – a question that carries an assumption, and is worded in such a way so that the respondent who answers the question directly admits to accepting that assumption.

Not sure what you are trying to define here.

Joe this is pretty simple.

Question 1

Was the lottery rigged?

A. Yes (he admits that the lottery was indeed rigged)
B. No (he plainly states that it was not rigged)

Question 2

Do you still beat your wife?

A. Yes (he admits that he has beaten his wife, and still does)
B. No (he admits that he does not currently, but HAS in the past)


Do you see how in question two, both answers are an admission of guilt, but in question 1, only 1 answer is? The difference in the questions is the qualifier "still" because you're implying that you know it has already happened for a fact, now you are just questioning whether it still does.

By including "still" he makes it a loaded question, which is a logical fallacy in rhetoric.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Then in that case, any question can be answered with a simple "no" or "that's not true." same as the question to Rome. Not sure what we are debating here.

Loaded Question – a question that carries an assumption, and is worded in such a way so that the respondent who answers the question directly admits to accepting that assumption.

Not sure what you are trying to define here.

Good God.

Question: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

If you answer no, it means that you're still beating your wife. If you answer yes, it's an admission that you once did beat your wife.

Question: ""I know that you appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, was the fix in for the lottery?"

If you answer yes, you admit guilt. If you answer no, you do not.

Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I don't even know what to say.

That usually happens when you have no argument. But I guess interviewees are not allowed to attack back when their profession or they are being disrespected.

Sure they can fight back, but his response was out of line. "Did you stop beating your wife?" Are you serious?! This coming from the NBA commish!! At least there's been rumors going on for years about the lottery being rigged. There was no historical rumors of spousal abuse concerning Rome. Rome may as well responded with "Did you stop bathing with 5 year old boys?"

It's not about historical rumors. Stern has to deal with this disrespect of his professional occupation for years...these rumors that have 0 evidence. His credibility gets cut low by the public/fans when it comes to this every year. Now to have someone in Rome's position to officially throw it out there was irresponsible and unprofessional by Rome. It was flat out dumb and disrespecting Stern and the NBA's credibility.

So what did Stern do? He squashed it with that comment back to Rome. It's a slap in the face and as much as I dislike Stern, his method of squashing the topic was effective.

You just contradicted yourself. You say it's not about historical rumors then you say that Stern's been dealing with this rumor for years. And yes, that's all it is, just rumors. No evidence, but people question it, especially recently with making the pick behind a locked room. Jim Rome is a reporter. Of course he's going to ask this question. Radnich does it. Tierney does it. Barbieri did it. Sure, people fire back, like Sabean, but to bring up domestic abuse and it make it sound like Rome was beating his spouse, is over the line for a man of his position. That response alone, dumbs down his credibility.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

100% serious question. Is English your first language?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof.

no...

"the fix" is just a slang way of saying "rigged" its used all over the place.

and no, it doesn't make it a loaded question. by saying no, stern still denies that the lottery was tampered with. this is a clear cut case of a logical fallacy by Stern. Rome's question was in no way loaded, you can argue it as much as you like, but i've just shown in my last post why its not.

you can judge it to be disrespectful if you like, but thats subjective. he said he felt the right to ask it because people want to know, but then Stern still replied with a logical fallacy, which often times looks pretty ignorant.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

Any insults hurled your way, subtle or not, are well deserved.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

100% serious question. Is English your first language?

Probably not, from what I remember I think Joe is Indian.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

100% serious question. Is English your first language?

Probably not, from what I remember I think Joe is Indian.

Ok. The only way this line of conversation is remotely understandable is if he's never heard the phrase "the fix is in" before.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I don't even know what to say.

That usually happens when you have no argument. But I guess interviewees are not allowed to attack back when their profession or they are being disrespected.

Sure they can fight back, but his response was out of line. "Did you stop beating your wife?" Are you serious?! This coming from the NBA commish!! At least there's been rumors going on for years about the lottery being rigged. There was no historical rumors of spousal abuse concerning Rome. Rome may as well responded with "Did you stop bathing with 5 year old boys?"

It's not about historical rumors. Stern has to deal with this disrespect of his professional occupation for years...these rumors that have 0 evidence. His credibility gets cut low by the public/fans when it comes to this every year. Now to have someone in Rome's position to officially throw it out there was irresponsible and unprofessional by Rome. It was flat out dumb and disrespecting Stern and the NBA's credibility.

So what did Stern do? He squashed it with that comment back to Rome. It's a slap in the face and as much as I dislike Stern, his method of squashing the topic was effective.

You just contradicted yourself. You say it's not about historical rumors then you say that Stern's been dealing with this rumor for years. And yes, that's all it is, just rumors. No evidence, but people question it, especially recently with making the pick behind a locked room. Jim Rome is a reporter. Of course he's going to ask this question. Radnich does it. Tierney does it. Barbieri did it. Sure, people fire back, like Sabean, but to bring up domestic abuse and it make it sound like Rome was beating his spouse, is over the line for a man of his position. That response alone, dumbs down his credibility.

I mean in terms of the fact that the rumor isn't what pissed Stern off. It was that a professional like Rome was trying to take something with 0 facts somewhere when he should know better about how answers to questions like that come out.

And to LA, seriously? You are completely disregarding the context/history of the question and only taking it at face value. That alone makes it loaded. Stern was not in a win-win response with that. He could have said "no" but it would not have stopped accusations of fixing lotteries. So, saying "no" would not have addressed the issue.

Originally posted by Thorhawk:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

Any insults hurled your way, subtle or not, are well deserved.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Then in that case, any question can be answered with a simple "no" or "that's not true." same as the question to Rome. Not sure what we are debating here.

Loaded Question – a question that carries an assumption, and is worded in such a way so that the respondent who answers the question directly admits to accepting that assumption.

Not sure what you are trying to define here.

Good God.

Question: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

If you answer no, it means that you're still beating your wife. If you answer yes, it's an admission that you once did beat your wife.

Question: ""I know that you appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, was the fix in for the lottery?"

If you answer yes, you admit guilt. If you answer no, you do not.

Which is why the fact that Rome used "the fix" as a noun makes it a loaded question. It still implies that "the fix" as having a history of being there.

Either way, entirely disrespectful to ask a question regarding the credibility of a man's profession considering 0 proof. Keep up the subtle insults.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Whether "the fix" is used as a noun or not is the stupidest thing in this entire thread. The fix is being used as a noun in reference to the conspiracy of making sure a team wins a lottery that is suppose to have a random and undetermined outcome. Now the question could be called vague on what he means by "the fix", but the words "the fix" in no manner mean its a loaded question.

BUT, The question by Rome WAS in fact a loaded question, but for different reasons then JoeCool is saying.

Its a loaded queiston because of the premise of the question (I know you appreciate a good conspiracy theory), because by responding with a Yes or No, Stern will be admitting he appreciates conspiracy theories

In no manner was it a loaded question regarding whether the lottery was fixed. Stern could have answered with a No, and there would be no admission the lottery was fixed.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I mean in terms of the fact that the rumor isn't what pissed Stern off. It was that a professional like Rome was trying to take something with 0 facts somewhere when he should know better about how answers to questions like that come out.

And to LA, seriously? You are completely disregarding the context/history of the question and only taking it at face value. That alone makes it loaded. Stern was not in a win-win response with that. He could have said "no" but it would not have stopped accusations of fixing lotteries. So, saying "no" would not have addressed the issue.

LOL, no it doesn't. A "loaded" question carries a presumption of guilt. Whether or not his answer would have stopped accusations of fixing lotteries is wholly irrelevant. It not like his loaded question did. You are seriously embarrassing yourself right now.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Whether "the fix" is used as a noun or not is the stupidest thing in this entire thread. The fix is being used as a noun in reference to the conspiracy of making sure a team wins a lottery that is suppose to have a random and undetermined outcome. Now the question could be called vague on what he means by "the fix", but the words "the fix" in no manner mean its a loaded question.

BUT, The question by Rome WAS in fact a loaded question, but for different reasons then JoeCool is saying.

Its a loaded queiston because of the premise of the question (I know you appreciate a good conspiracy theory), because by responding with a Yes or No, Stern will be admitting he appreciates conspiracy theories

In no manner was it a loaded question regarding whether the lottery was fixed. Stern could have answered with a No, and there would be no admission the lottery was fixed.

The "I know you appreciate a conspiracy" is a statement, not a question, and was the preface to the question as opposed to being part of it, IMO.

This isn't the first time Stern's had to answer a question about a conspiracy, so that preface was an allusion to Stern's previous reactions to the topic. Rome was being sarcastic there.

Just drop it. dude does not know what a loaded question is.

he just didn't like what Rome did, and keeps using the phrase "loaded question" to describe it.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I mean in terms of the fact that the rumor isn't what pissed Stern off. It was that a professional like Rome was trying to take something with 0 facts somewhere when he should know better about how answers to questions like that come out.

And to LA, seriously? You are completely disregarding the context/history of the question and only taking it at face value. That alone makes it loaded. Stern was not in a win-win response with that. He could have said "no" but it would not have stopped accusations of fixing lotteries. So, saying "no" would not have addressed the issue.

Yea, there's 0 evidence and I mentioned that, but you can't deny what's happened. Patrick Ewing and the cold envelope theory. LeBron going to his hometown Cleveland team. Derrick Rose going to his hometown Chi team, etc. Now recently, the Hornets getting the pick after getting screwed with the initial CP3 trade that would have sent him to the Lakers. The lotto happened BEHIND closed doors. Of course people will question whether or not it's a conspiracy. And like I said, Rome is still a reporter and he's going to want to get viewers. Of course people watching would want to hear a discussion like that thrown to Stern.