Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
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Jan 12, 2011 at 11:05 PM
- redrathman
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Jan 12, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Jan 12, 2011 at 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Right.
We shouldn't forget Joe Bryant's accomplishments with the Boston Frenzy in the ABA or Archie Manning's 67.1 career passer rating.
But I'm just showing comparisons to twist my opinion, right?
Jan 13, 2011 at 7:07 AM
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Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
I think I've seen you post stuff like this before. You really enjoy your fallacies.
Jan 13, 2011 at 7:24 AM
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Originally posted by redrathman:Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Right.
We shouldn't forget Joe Bryant's accomplishments with the Boston Frenzy in the ABA or Archie Manning's 67.1 career passer rating.
But I'm just showing comparisons to twist my opinion, right?
Right.
Jan 13, 2011 at 7:35 AM
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He has great speed and seems to be quite elusive. But, he also has not been challenged yet. That is not his fault, but the lack of competition. I want to see what he does against people of equal talent. His dad, has to be without a doubt in my mind, the greatest runningback I have ever seen. So, my memories of his father's runs are still vivid in my mind. Granted, time might have made me glorify these memories even more, but nonethless, Barry Sanders Sr. moved in a way that has not been matched. His son runs more north and south, Barry went in all directions, even backwards, to get down field.
Jan 13, 2011 at 8:06 AM
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Originally posted by fropwns:
He has great speed and seems to be quite elusive. But, he also has not been challenged yet. That is not his fault, but the lack of competition. I want to see what he does against people of equal talent. His dad, has to be without a doubt in my mind, the greatest runningback I have ever seen. So, my memories of his father's runs are still vivid in my mind. Granted, time might have made me glorify these memories even more, but nonethless, Barry Sanders Sr. moved in a way that has not been matched. His son runs more north and south, Barry went in all directions, even backwards, to get down field.
Agreed. Barry is #1 in my book.
Jan 13, 2011 at 9:28 AM
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Originally posted by fropwns:
He has great speed and seems to be quite elusive. But, he also has not been challenged yet. That is not his fault, but the lack of competition. I want to see what he does against people of equal talent. His dad, has to be without a doubt in my mind, the greatest runningback I have ever seen. So, my memories of his father's runs are still vivid in my mind. Granted, time might have made me glorify these memories even more, but nonethless, Barry Sanders Sr. moved in a way that has not been matched. His son runs more north and south, Barry went in all directions, even backwards, to get down field.
He did go backwards in the NFL but have you seen Barry Sr. HighSchool highlights? They aren't too far off from his son. At that level, there is no need to bounce around when you are playing at a much higher level of speed.
What's crazy was that Sr. wasn't "good enough" to start right away in college.
Jan 13, 2011 at 9:42 AM
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Actually, that's different.
Superstar father -> average kid
average father -> superstar kid
Jan 13, 2011 at 9:47 AM
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Originally posted by pantstickle:Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Actually, that's different.
Superstar father -> average kid
average father -> superstar kid
That's not fair to the mother. You both are taking 50% of the equation out.
Yao Ming Dad = tall athlete
Yao Ming Mom = tall athlete
Yao Ming Dad --->>O Yao Ming Mom = tall athlete
Brittany Spear + whatever his name is = good chance of f**ked up kids.
[ Edited by Joecool on Jan 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM ]
Jan 13, 2011 at 9:48 AM
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I thought Jarrett Payton was going to be a decent pro but alas... I think Sanders Jr can do just fine if people aren't expecting him to be just like his father.
Jan 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by pantstickle:Originally posted by StOnEy333:Originally posted by redrathman:
Tony Gwynn (20 Seasons): 3141 Hits, 1383 Runs, 135 Homeruns, 1138 RBI, .324 BA, .384 OBP, .461 SLG, .845 OPS, 15 All Star Games, 8 Batting Titles and a plaque in Cooperstown.
Tony Gwynn Jr (5 Seasons): 225 Hits, 112 Runs, 5 Homeruns, 56 RBI, .244 BA, .323 OBP, .314 SLG, .591 OPS, 0 All Star Games, 0 Batting Titles and plaque on his teeth.
Joe Bryant--Kobe Bryant
Archie Manning--Peyton Manning
See how comparisons can be twisted to fit your opinion?
Actually, that's different.
Superstar father -> average kid
average father -> superstar kid
That's not fair to the mother. You both are taking 50% of the equation out.
Yao Ming Dad = tall athlete
Yao Ming Mom = tall athlete
Yao Ming Dad --->>O Yao Ming Mom = tall athlete
Brittany Spear + whatever his name is = good chance of f**ked up kids.
If I thought the gene that included cooking and cleaning was relevant, I would have mentioned it.
Jan 13, 2011 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Paul:
I thought Jarrett Payton was going to be a decent pro but alas... I think Sanders Jr can do just fine if people aren't expecting him to be just like his father.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what people will be expecting jr to be like.
Jan 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by redrathman:
lol.
Jan 13, 2011 at 1:33 PM
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What about the Ken Griffey's?