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***General NBA Discussion Thread***

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I mean, the current framework violates the hell out of anti-trust laws, and if the union decertifies, the owners are in deep s**t. The NFL recently lost a lawsuit where the court determined that they were in fact one entity, as opposed to 30 competing entities, and that's going to impact the NBA negotiations as well. A salary cap, rookie cap scale, maximum contract cap, and even the draft violate anti-trust law.

My understanding was that the NBA's antitrust exemption protects both the players and the league from what would be otherwise considered anti-competitive (and thus in violation of the anti-trust s**t)...so, as long as there is a CBA, the league and players remain protected...now of course, once the players decertify the union and thus the CBA, that anti-trust exemption disappears.

So strictly from the way I am currently looking at this and all the reading Ive been doing in regards to the topic, my take on the players' strategy is to decertify their union and CBA, expecting that the league will fear losing its anti-trust exemption protection and that it will be forced to litigate a very long and expensive anti-trust case...and then when faced with this possibility the players hope that the league will relent and negotiate a much more favorable CBA for the mere millionaire players (versus the multi-millionaire superstars and owners).

Of course I say the "mere millionaire" players because the league and the higher paid players benefit from the fiction that the leagues are games (not businesses) if Im not mistaken, but greed looms because the highest paid players want more cash money thus leaving less for the regular/average players thus giving those regular/average (and majority) players incentive to decertify the union
Originally posted by GameOver:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I mean, the current framework violates the hell out of anti-trust laws, and if the union decertifies, the owners are in deep s**t. The NFL recently lost a lawsuit where the court determined that they were in fact one entity, as opposed to 30 competing entities, and that's going to impact the NBA negotiations as well. A salary cap, rookie cap scale, maximum contract cap, and even the draft violate anti-trust law.

My understanding was that the NBA's antitrust exemption protects both the players and the league from what would be otherwise considered anti-competitive (and thus in violation of the anti-trust s**t)...so, as long as there is a CBA, the league and players remain protected...now of course, once the players decertify the union and thus the CBA, that anti-trust exemption disappears.

So strictly from the way I am currently looking at this and all the reading Ive been doing in regards to the topic, my take on the players' strategy is to decertify their union and CBA, expecting that the league will fear losing its anti-trust exemption protection and that it will be forced to litigate a very long and expensive anti-trust case...and then when faced with this possibility the players hope that the league will relent and negotiate a much more favorable CBA for the mere millionaire players (versus the multi-millionaire superstars and owners).

Of course I say the "mere millionaire" players because the league and the higher paid players benefit from the fiction that the leagues are games (not businesses) if Im not mistaken, but greed looms because the highest paid players want more cash money thus leaving less for the regular/average players thus giving those regular/average (and majority) players incentive to decertify the union

You're correct that it doesn't violate anti-trust laws because there's a player's union. I was just saying that if the players decertify, it would.

I think the "average player" that you reference is who the owners are going to try to appeal to. If they can make a CBA appealing to that middle tier of NBA salaries, they can probably hold down the costs of the superstars. To be honest, I feel like they already have. The top guys would be making WAY more than they do now if it was an open market.

But if they can come up with a deal that looks good to the middle 200 players in the league, they may be able to get enough votes to pass something that gives other concessions to the owners.
Top 50 Charles Barkley Quotes

50. "I can be bought. If they paid me enough, I'd work for the Klan."

49. "You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."

48. "I don't hate anyone, at least not for more than 48 minutes, barring overtime."

47. "We better not be doing the Bulls this year. Man, they suck! Bunch of high school kids with $70 million contracts. Damn! I hate my mother for having me too soon."

46. "You can talk without saying a thing. I don't ever want to be that type of person."

45. After retiring from basketball "I'm just what America needs - another unemployed black man.

44. Ernie: "Did they recognize you in South Dakota?"
Charles: "Yes, they did. It was easy because I was the only black person there. When they see me walking down the street they say 'There he goes again'. And when I come back the next year they say 'He's back yawl!'"

43. Right after Peja won the 3-point contest: "Kenny said it was going to be an all-international night. I want to know which international brother is going to win the slam dunk contest."

42. On the Enron scandal investigation: "Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool."

41. "I had to explain to my daughter why that skank Monica Lewinski has an hour special on HBO this weekend."

40. Ernie: "Auburn is a pretty good school. To graduate from there I suppose you really need to work hard and put forth maximum effort."
Charles: "20 pts and 10 rebounds will get you through also!"

39. "Every time I think about changing a diaper, I run a little bit harder and a little bit faster to make sure I can afford a nanny until my daughter's old enough to take care of that herself."

38. EJ: "Did you graduate from Auburn?"
Charles: "No, but I have a couple people working for me who did."

37. "Dick Bavetta and Moses parted the Red Sea together."

36. Ernie Johnson, on Reggie Evans being caught grabbing the rocks of Chris Kaman: "(Reggie Evans) got caught with his hand in the cookie jar."Charles Barkley: "Ernie, I don't know where you get your cookies at but the rest of us don't get ours there."

35. On his 17-year old daughter not dating yet: "Thank goodness. I just hope she doesn't start before I go in the Hall of Fame. That way, I won't have to kill anybody before I get inducted."

34. Kenny: "There's guys who go over to Europe and play overseas from America, and they dominate!"
Charles: "Those are called 'brothers'

33. After Wang has a shot blocked: "He's got to bring something stronger than that. That's like bringing milk to a bar, it's not strong enough"

32. Barkley on Turner Sports office having a betting pool on his weight: "That is starting to hurt my feelings. I don't mind skinny people making fun of me, we all do that, but I don't want fat people making fun of me."

31. "We are in the business of kicking butt and business is very, very good."

30. When the Dream Team was about to play the Angola national team, during pre-game interviews the other USA players provided diplomatic, face saving comments about how they would play hard and felt strongly they would win. When Chuck was asked about Angola and the game, he replied: "They're in a lot of trouble."

29. Charles Barkley on his thoughts about retiring before the season: "I remember sitting down with the Rockets and saying, 'Yeah. I'm going to retire.' They said, 'Well, we'll give you $9 million.' And I said, 'You got a pen on you?'"

28. Man, everything gets blamed on the Clintons, every single thing in this world. I think Bill Clinton shot JFK, too.

27. "I know why his name is DMX. Because his real name is Earl. Imagine if his name was Earl the rapper."

26. "If you go out with a girl and they say she has a great personality, she's ugly. If they tell you a guy works hard, he can't play a lick. Same thing."

25. After Kevin Garnett threw a ball into the crowd out of frustration and was ejected. They showed footage of the man that got hit by the ball being taken away in a stretcher and his daughter was crying. Charles commented that players take passes to the face all the time. He topped it off by saying: "You know why that little girl's crying? It's because she's thinking 'my daddy's a wussy'".

24. Barkley on Ernie Johnson and Kenny Smith eating a box of hot Krispy Kreme donuts in front of him: “Both of y’all are2 going to hell for that. Y’all are going to hell with a first-class ticket. Is that how you treat your partner? Krispy Kreme might be the greatest invention in the history of civilization when they’re hot. Y’all are cruel man.”

23. "It's kinda great to see the Celtics doin well again cuz that was so much fun in my day to go to the Boston Garden and they spit at you and throw things at you and talk about your mom. It sounds like dinner at Kenny Smith's house."

22. "I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."

21. Charles Barkley after seeing a picture of Sam Cassell on the screen: "Phone home." And later he remarks to Kenny, "Sam Cassell is a good guy, but he's not going to wind up on the cover of GQ anytime soon."

20. While watching someone in Australia put $1 million worth of rubies on a table: "Damn, must not be any black folks in Australia. You can't just leave $1 million worth of jewelry lying around the 'hood."

19. Asked if he had ever been in the governor's office in Montgomery, Barkley said no. "They don't let many black people in the governor's mansion in Alabama," he said, "unless they're cleaning."

18. On the goal of the '92 Olympic Dream Team when playing Panama in the Tournament of the Americas: "To get the Canal back."

17. To Kenny: "Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too close, kissin his!"

16. Barkley on Hanno Mottola, who, as EJ remarked "is the first NBA player from Finland". Charles replies: "Of course he is the first NBA player from Finland, he's the only person in Finland."

15. On supersized Oliver Miller: "You can't even jump high enough to touch the rim, unless they put a Big Mac on it."

14. "All I know is, as long as I led the Southeastern Conference in scoring, my grades would be fine."

13. On North Carolina missing 22 of its last 23 shots in losing to Georgetown in the NCAA tournament last weekend: "Stevie Wonder could make one of 23 shots."

12. I'd never buy my girl a watch... she's already got a clock over the stove.

11. "I always laugh when people ask me about rebounding techniques. I've got a technique. It's called just go get the damn ball."

10. On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

9. "Yeah Ernie, its called defense, I mean I wouldn't know anything about it personally but I've heard about it through the grapevine.

8. "Well, when I went off to college, the guys I used to hang with were pumping gas and voting Democrat. Today they're still pumping gas and voting Democrat. Guess the Democrats didn't do much for them."

7. "When I was recruited at Auburn [university], they took me to a strip joint. When I saw those (bleep) on Buffy, I knew that Auburn met my academic requirements."

6. "Hey Stanley, you could be a great player if you learned just two words: I'm full."— Barkley yelling to 300-plus-pound Houston Rockets teammate Stanley Roberts

5. "I heard Tonya Harding is calling herself the Charles Barkley of figure skating. I was going to sue her for defamation of character, but then I realized I have no character."

4. On the All-Star Game: "Hell, there ain't but 15 black millionaires in the whole country & half of 'em are right here in this room."

3. On Jerry Krause still being able to keep his job as GM of the Chicago Bulls: "Jerry Krause must have pictures of his boss's wife having sex with a monkey."

2. After throwing a guy through a 1st floor window in a bar Charles was in front of the judge.
Judge: "Your sanctions are community service and a fine, do you have any regrets?"
Charles: "Yeah I regret we weren't on a higher floor"

1. After an Olympic Dream Team victory over Angola, in which they won 116-48, Charles got into a physical altercation with a member of Angola towards the end of the game, afterwards he says.


"Somebody hits me, I'm going to hit him back. Even if it does look like he hasn't eaten in a couple weeks. I thought he was going to pull a spear on me."
36. Ernie Johnson, on Reggie Evans being caught grabbing the rocks of Chris Kaman: "(Reggie Evans) got caught with his hand in the cookie jar."Charles Barkley: "Ernie, I don't know where you get your cookies at but the rest of us don't get ours there."


http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/30/nba-wages-war-on-turtlenecks-with-van-gundy-rule/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

The NBA is implementing a new dress code this season -- but instead of being directed at players, it's the coaches the league is insisting dress up. No longer will coaches be allowed to wear mock turtlenecks under their suit jacket. Instead, a collared shirt is now required apparel.

And at the behest of one of the league's most casual coaches, let the new mandate be known as the "Van Gundy Rule."

"I want them to at least name the rule after me," Orlando Magic coach Van Gundy said. "Somebody has their Bird rights. Larry Bird got that rule named after him. I want it to be the Van Gundy Rule."

That certainly works, but it could have just as easily been known as the "Don Nelson Rule," had the league's all-time leader in mock turtlenecks and wins not just been pushed out by Golden State's new regime. But at least one member of the coaching fraternity isn't convinced there's a need for the rule in the first place.

"I don't like that," Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. "I really like Stan's style. I thought Stan really set the bar for the dress code. I think he should stay with that. I think it's nice."

In any event, Van Gundy's wardrobe should be well-equipped to handle the call for additional formality. Shortly after Van Gundy signed his extension this summer, Magic CEO Bob Vander Weide sprung for a tailor to outfit the coach and some front-office members with new suits.
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by GameOver:


Didnt kno where else to put this and since there are multiple stabs at LeBron...

I have that jersey he put on in the end!!!

I wouldn't even press my shirt

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Originally posted by valrod33:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/30/nba-wages-war-on-turtlenecks-with-van-gundy-rule/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

The NBA is implementing a new dress code this season -- but instead of being directed at players, it's the coaches the league is insisting dress up. No longer will coaches be allowed to wear mock turtlenecks under their suit jacket. Instead, a collared shirt is now required apparel.

And at the behest of one of the league's most casual coaches, let the new mandate be known as the "Van Gundy Rule."

"I want them to at least name the rule after me," Orlando Magic coach Van Gundy said. "Somebody has their Bird rights. Larry Bird got that rule named after him. I want it to be the Van Gundy Rule."

That certainly works, but it could have just as easily been known as the "Don Nelson Rule," had the league's all-time leader in mock turtlenecks and wins not just been pushed out by Golden State's new regime. But at least one member of the coaching fraternity isn't convinced there's a need for the rule in the first place.

"I don't like that," Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. "I really like Stan's style. I thought Stan really set the bar for the dress code. I think he should stay with that. I think it's nice."

In any event, Van Gundy's wardrobe should be well-equipped to handle the call for additional formality. Shortly after Van Gundy signed his extension this summer, Magic CEO Bob Vander Weide sprung for a tailor to outfit the coach and some front-office members with new suits.

I don't see whats wrong with the way Van Gundy dresses

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Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by valrod33:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/09/30/nba-wages-war-on-turtlenecks-with-van-gundy-rule/?ncid=txtlnkusspor00000002

The NBA is implementing a new dress code this season -- but instead of being directed at players, it's the coaches the league is insisting dress up. No longer will coaches be allowed to wear mock turtlenecks under their suit jacket. Instead, a collared shirt is now required apparel.

And at the behest of one of the league's most casual coaches, let the new mandate be known as the "Van Gundy Rule."

"I want them to at least name the rule after me," Orlando Magic coach Van Gundy said. "Somebody has their Bird rights. Larry Bird got that rule named after him. I want it to be the Van Gundy Rule."

That certainly works, but it could have just as easily been known as the "Don Nelson Rule," had the league's all-time leader in mock turtlenecks and wins not just been pushed out by Golden State's new regime. But at least one member of the coaching fraternity isn't convinced there's a need for the rule in the first place.

"I don't like that," Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. "I really like Stan's style. I thought Stan really set the bar for the dress code. I think he should stay with that. I think it's nice."

In any event, Van Gundy's wardrobe should be well-equipped to handle the call for additional formality. Shortly after Van Gundy signed his extension this summer, Magic CEO Bob Vander Weide sprung for a tailor to outfit the coach and some front-office members with new suits.

I don't see whats wrong with the way Van Gundy dresses




Me neither. David Stern is just being a jackass
Nate dunks on Shaq hahaha:

Hey Guys, speaking of the Celtics they're saying KG is in the best shape of his life in a long time! *knock on wood*.
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Hey Guys, speaking of the Celtics they're saying KG is in the best shape of his life in a long time! *knock on wood*.

Best shape "Of his life" and "in a long time" in the same sentence?
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Hey Guys, speaking of the Celtics they're saying KG is in the best shape of his life in a long time! *knock on wood*.

Best shape "Of his life" and "in a long time" in the same sentence?

Was wondering the same thing. Lol
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Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Hey Guys, speaking of the Celtics they're saying KG is in the best shape of his life in a long time! *knock on wood*.

Sounds like one of those preseason puff-pieces

Like "Anthony Randolph has grown two feet and gained 30 pounds of muscle, he's now 7-10 and stronger than Dwight Howard"

Every single team puts out puff-pieces and nonsense like that.


"Eddy Curry lost 30 lbs, he's in the best shape of his life"

....etc....
Byron Scott, modeling the worst tie ever...