Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I notice you totally ignored how you were completely wrong when you said that Villalona chose not to enter the draft. You also conveniently left out your error when you said he was the highest bonus player ever. Get your facts straight before you start spewing out BS. Harper is a MUCH more highly touted player. Period. He was the consensus #1 player in the draft. Villalona as I mentioned was never even considered the Giants top prospect.
Your idea of a pure hitter is laughable. All you are going by is someone who hits for a high average. Right.. Freddie Sanchez is more of a pure hitter than Albert Pujols because Albert is a run producer. I guess Manny Ramirez isnt a "pure hitter" because he hits for power. You just look more ridiculous every time you post with statements like this.
Before you said that you wouldnt trade Sanchez or Posey for Strasburg because they were proven (laughing so hard at that) and Strasburg isnt. Now you backpedal. Which is it. Also, you are just so naive if you dont think Sabean or any GM in baseball would deal Buster Posey for Stephen Strasburg, My god. You really dont know anything about baseball do you? I love the way you also try to suggest that I ever said anything about trading Lincecum for Harper. HELLO!!!!!!!!!
I'm really done debating with someone makes so many errors in his post, tries to switch things around, and doesnt get what the jist of the post was to begin with.
LOL dude you are the WORST person at understanding posts. wow. you have the reading comprehension of a 7 year old.
first of all, i am fully aware that international players dont enter the draft. my point was that the caliber of player Villalona was at the time, he WOULDVE been drafted very high. and i never said he was the highest paid bonus player ever. and you are wrong in saying he was never the Giants highest touted prospect. he has consistantly been ranked in their organizational top 3 by Baseball America since he was signed. Baseball America is the foremost authority on the analysis of farm systems and prospects in baseball.
Dec. 14th, 2007, Angel Villalona was in fact the number 1 ranked prospect in the Giants organization.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2008/265340.html
you call yourself a baseball fan, yet you have no idea what a pure hitter is? i JUST got done explaining to you what it was. its not just about hitting for a high average, and it doesnt dismiss players for having power.Do i have to explain it word for word? or do you just take everything literal and jump to conclusions...you can be a power hitter and be a pure hitter. the point is, Zimmerman is not. hes a solid run producing 3B with a gold glove. theres a reason hes a .280 hitter. his ability to hit the ball to all field consistently to get on base simply isnt as good as others.
i honestly cannot beleive youre arguing with me over this. do you watch baseball? do you follow it outside the Giants? you should know what a "pure hitter" is, and is not. instead, try to stop skimming posts and misjudging whats said, and then insulting me over it. btw its hard to make a good counter argument about my intelligence when you keep spelling players names wrong. "Freddie Sanchez", or even your beloved "Stephen Strasberg".
you read things wrong, and then insult people over it. easily confused i suppose. first off, i never said i wouldnt deal Sanchez for Strasburg. you made that up. second, i specifically said i WOULD deal Posey for Strasburg on a blank canvas, but that the Giants specific situation suggests that a future stud hitting C is more important than another SP. have you thought about contracts? Lincecum is due for a big one in a couple seasons. Cain wants money too. Strasburg is represented by Scott Boras. say he turns out to be the best pitcher in baseball, hes getting a deal the Giants cant afford.
it makes very little baseball sense for the Giants in their specific situation to deal Buster Posey for Stephen Strasburg. thats why i think they would not do it.
your arrogance does not match your knowledge. sorry. if you want to get all high and mighty about how right you are, do a better job at understanding what im saying, not what you THOUGHT i said. read over the posts more before you respond. you based my "laughable" knowledge of baseball on opinions you made up. "haha you think pujols and manny arent pure hitters because they hit for power??" um....no. try again. dont put words in my mouth because you have trouble understanding things.
Here you go... from your posts: LOL
1) "do you remember how we got Villalona? he was a 16 year old dominican phenom JUST like Harper. he had tremendous upside. we gave him several million just to sign. at the time it was a record. he didnt enter the draft because he was so coveted, he was going to just sign a multi million dollar signing bonus with clubs scouting him.
Of course now you say that you are "fully aware that he couldnt enter the draft" Yes I think you are... after I pointed it out to you. Otherwise, why would you have made this comment.
2) "do you know what a "pure hitter" is? its not a guy who hits 30 hr and drive in 100. thats a run producer"
Now you of course say that a pure hitter can be a power hitter. Hmmmm . SO which is it?
3)" the Giants have coveted young players such as Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, Sanchez, and Posey. the jury is still out on Bumgarner. but the point is, those first 5 guys listed have tons of potential, have already proved they can hack it at the MAJOR league level, and are all young and have the best and brightest years ahead of them. dealing any of them for prospects who are NOT proven, would be stupid"
You include Sanchez and Posey on the list of "proven players" and it would be "stupid" in your words to trade them for an unproven player like Strasburg. Again, you say one thing in a post and now something different.
I only responded this time because of your insults and the fact that you question whether I even watch the game. I will refrain from any more back and forth insults and I suggest you do the same. If you want to continue this why dont you PM me.