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Originally posted by crzy:
Look up Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace and Stephen Jackson, Stoney.
Ben Wallace was undrafted and had to play in Italy until getting a serious shot in the NBA in 1999 with the Magic.
Bruce Bowen went undrafted and played in France, finally getting a shot in 1997 with Pat Riley's Miami Heat.
Stephen Jackson played in Australia, Venezuela, and the Domincan Repbulic before getting a shot with the Nets in 2000.
All these guys would have played in the NBA D-League except that the D-League began in 2001, and only really became a viable option in 2005.
The D-League is one of the best ideas David Stern ever came up with.
There's definitely talent that comes out of the D-League, but if you are gonna choose between DL and the NBA, the DL will lose every time. I mean, who wants to watch the minors, when the majors are on?
That being said, I do intend to see the Toros play at some point, but seeing the Spurs is a bigger priority.
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1) I didn't dismiss anything. I asked a legitimate question.
2) I can dismiss anything I want. WhoTF are you to tell me?
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1st Pick is Carlos Powell, who played for Phoenix Suns in the Pre-Season, going to Albuquerque Thunderbirds.
2nd Pick is Donell Taylor, going to Erie Bayhawks.
3rd Pick is Deron Washington, former 2nd rd pick of the Pistons, going to Los Angeles D-Fenders(Who are owned by the Lakers).
4th Pick is Amara Sy, from France, going to Bakersfield Jam.
5th Pick is Garret Siler, from Augusta State, to Utah Flash.
6th Pick is Alabama's Alonzo Gee, to Austin Toros.
7th Pick is Desmon Farmer, former Spur to Reno Bighorns.
8th Pick is Paul Harris, Syraucse standout to Maine Red Claws.
9th Pick is Rashad Anderson, UCONN to Iowa Energey
10th pick is Alade Aminu, from GA Tech to Fort Wayne Mad Ants.
11th Pick is Curtis Withers, to Dakota Wizards.
12th pick is Memphis Antonio Anderson to Rio Grande Valley Vipers.
13th Pick is Clemson big man Ramond Sykes, to Sioux Falls Skyforce.
14th Pick is JamesOn Curry, former Draftee, to Springfield Armor
15th Pick is former Georgia Sundiata Ganes, to Idaho Stampede
16th and Final Pick of the 1st rd is Latavious Williams, to Tulsa 66ers, Williams, is the 1st High School player going from High School to the D-League.
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Originally posted by StOnEy333:
1) I didn't dismiss anything. I asked a legitimate question.
2) I can dismiss anything I want. WhoTF are you to tell me?
I'm the guy who tells people what to think. And you will respect maahhhh authoritahhhh
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2009 Draft In Review
by Matthew Brennan, NBA D-League.com
The 2009 NBA D-League Draft took place on Thursday, with the 16 teams that will compete in 2009-10 each selecting eight players. Here is look at each team's picks with some commentary on all 128 draft choices. The teams are listed in first-round draft order.
Carlos Powell: 6-7 forward was 2nd overall pick in 2007 NBA D-League Draft by Dakota. Earned All-Star nod and ranked among league leaders in scoring. One of last cuts by the Phoenix the Suns prior to this season.
Chad Toppert: 6-6 guard earned Honorable Mention All-Mountain West honors at New Mexico where he averaged 8.4 points over four years. Brother Cody played for the Albuquerque Thunderbirds during the 2005-06 season.
Erek Hansen:6-11 center was the Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year at Iowa in 2006. Shot blocking specialist led Turkish league last season, sending away 2.8 shots per game.
Yaroslav Korolev: 12th overall pick by Clippers in 2005 NBA Draft played sparingly for Dynamo Moscow last season. 6-9 forward played this summer for the Knicks in NBA Summer League.
Shagari Alleyne: 7-3 center played for the Mad Ants in the 2007-08 season.
J'Nathan Bullock: 6-5 forward led Cleveland State in scoring for all four years of his career. Named First-Team All-Horizon League as a junior and senior. Did not play football in college but signed with New York Jets as a tight end prior to this season.
Garrison Carr: 5-11 guard from American earned first-team All-Patriot League honors the last two seasons. Averaged 17.9 points as a senior and named MVP of conference tournament.
Brian Kortovich: Final pick in the draft is 6-2 guard who starred at Cuyahoga College before moving on tot eams in Kuwait, France, and Israel.
Donnel Taylor: Played for the Washington Wizards between 2006 and 2008. The 6-6 guard was most recently played in Greece, where he averaged 12.9 points for the 2008-09 season. Twin brother Ronell represented the Idaho Stampede in the first NBA D-League All-Star Game in 2007 in Las Vegas.
John Bryant: 6-11 center is the 2008-09 West Coast Conference Player of the Year. Averaged 18.1 points and 14.2 boards last season at Santa Clara.
Martin Zeno: 6-5 guard was a four-year starter at Texas Tech and earned All-Big 12 honors as a senior. Played for the Lakers in the Las Vegas Summer League in July.
Derrick Mercer: 5-9 guard just wrapped up career at American, where he earned multiple All-Patriot League honors. Averaged 11.7 points and 4.4 assists as senior.
Rod Wilmont: 6-4 guard from Indiana averaged 11.7 points for Fort Wayne in 2007-08 season. Spent last year in Turkey and Italy. All-Big Ten as a senior with the Hoosiers in 2007.
Jeff Skemp: 6-10 center was the NCAA D-3 West Region Player of the Year at Wisconsin-Platteville in 2008-09. Averaged 18.9 points and became 30th player in school history to crack 1,000 point mark.
Ryan Troutman: 6-2 guard from Tusculum attended Erie open tryouts in October.
Zach Sowers: 6-3 guard averaged 17.8 points at NAIA William Jessup. Played first three years of college career at Akron.
LOS ANGELES D-FENDERS
Deron Washington:6-7 guard from Virginia Tech who was selected 59th overall by the Pistons in the 2008 NBA Draft. He spent last season overseas in Israel after not making the Pistons in the preseason.
Alan Wiggins: 6-8 forward played in France for the last two seasons after an All-West Coast Conference career at San Francisco. Averaged 14.3 points and 7.3 rebounds as a senior in 2006-07.
Jeremy Wise: 6-1 guard was an All-Conference performer for three seasons at Southern Miss and averaged 17.6 points for his college career. Earned Freshman All-America and Conference USA Newcomer of the Year honors in 2006-07 season.
Chris Hayes: 6-9 forward played four seasons at Detroit Mercy, highlighted by 10.6 point, 6.2 rebound junior campaign.
Christopher Moore: 6-9 forward won D-2 title at Virginia Union in 2005. Averaged 24.3 points in Syria last season.
Charlie Parker: 6-4 guard returns to D-Fenders after averaging 7.0 points in 31 games last season.
Moustafa N'Doye:6-10 center from Senegal played in France last season.
Travis Pinick: 6-6 forward leads all players in Yale history with a .532 field goal percentage. Second team All-Ivy League in 2008-09 with 10.8 points and 5.7 rebounds.
Amara Sy: 6-8 forward from France has played in the last two NBA Summer Leagues, most recently with the Spurs. Averaged 12.3 points and 5.4 rebounds in France last season, his 10th year in pro basketball.
Reece Gaines: 6-6 guard is a former first round pick of Orlando, taken 15th overall in the 2003 NBA Draft. Has played in Italy for the past three seasons after last playing in the NBA for the Bucks in the 2005-06 season.
Anthony Goods: 6-3 guard was All-Pac 10 honorable mention as a junior and senior at Stanford. Led team with 16.2 points and 71 three-pointers as a senior.
Jared Newson: 6-4 guard spent last season in Germany and 2007-08 in Australia after playing for Dallas Mavericks in preseason. Earned first-team All-Ohio Valley Conference honors as a senior at Tennessee-Martin in 2005-06.
Lance Hurdle: 6-3 guard played in 65 games over two years for Miami after trasnferring from San Bernandino Valley CC, where he was Foothills Conference Player of the Year in 2006-07.
Christopher Ayer: 6-10 center won league in title in Japan last season, his third campaign in the Japanese league.
Ramon Dyer: 6-7 forward played in all 50 games for Albuquerque in 2007-08, posting 6.4 points per game.
Stephen McDowell: 6-1 guard was All-Southern Conference and All-Conference Tournament at Chattanooga. Scored over 1,000 points in career that started with two years at South Carolina.
Garret Siler: Massive 7-0 center played for Hawks in preseason. D-2 All-American at Augusta State where he averaged 16.2 points, 7.7 rebounds, and 2.8 blocks as a senior.
Orien Greene: 6-4 guard played for the Boston Celtics during the 2005-06 season, appearing in 80 games. Waived by Sacramento in early 2007, and has played around between Isreal, Australia, and Holland where he won a league title with MyGuide Amsterdam in 2008-09.
Kevin Goffney: 6-6 forward averaged 13.6 points last season at Chattanooga and earned All Southern Conference tournament honors. Scored 15 points in NCAA Tournament loss to UConn.
Jason Richards: 6-2 guard led the nation with 8.1 assists in 2007-08 as a senior at Davidson. Holds Davidson assists record for season, career, and single-game. Missed 2008-09 season with torn ACL and tested but did not sign with team in Poland in September.
Joe Darger: 6-7 forward was honorable mention All-Mountain West last season at UNLV, averaging 9.3 points.
Travis Holmes: 6-4 guard earned Second Team All-Big South honors at VMI after averaging 19.1 points as a senior.
Alain LaRoche: 6-6 forward was all-Atlantic Sun at North Florida in 2006. Averaged 15.4 points in Finland last season, leading the league in field-goal percentage.
Jordan Brady: 6-8 forward played in Luxembourg last season after two college seasons at Utah Valley State.
Alonzo Gee: 6-6 guard played for the Spurs in Summer League after earning All-SEC honors at Alabama. Averaged 15.0 points and 7.2 rebounds as a senior.
Russell Carter: 6-5 guard was All-BIG EAST at Notre Dame in 2007. Has briefly played for Tulsa in the last two NBA D-League seasons. Spent most of last season in France where he averaged 8.6 points.
Lewis Clinch: 6-3 guard led Georgia Tech with 15.5 points last season. 38th player in school history to top 1,000 points for his career.
Ira Brown: 6-4 forward played two seasons as a reserve at Gonzaga.
David McClure: 6-6 forward started games in all four years of his career at Duke. Averaged 2.3 points in 123 games.
Quemont Greer: Veteran forward was an NBA D-League All-Star with Dakota in 2006-07, also winning league title. Returned to team last year and averaged 11.0 points in 12-game stint.
Augustine Okuson: 6-10 center from Nigeria played one season at Seton Hall and one year at Northwood. Made 11 starts for Seton Hall in 2007-08 season.
D'mond Grismore: 6-6 forward averaged 23.3 points and 8.8 rebounds at Hutson-Tillotson last season before declaring for NBA Draft.
Desmon Farmer: The 6-5 guard last played in the NBA D-League in 2007-08, posting 24.7 points per game in Rio Grande Valley. Started last season with the Spurs before moving on to teams in Russia and Croatia.
Haminn Quantaince: 6-7 forward played in Isreal last season after finishing career at Kent State. Named MAC Defensive Player in the Year and Tournament MVP in 2007-08. Only player in NCAA Division One history with over 1,300 points, 900 rebounds, 250 assists, 250 blocks, and 200 steals in his career.
Chris Lowe: 6-0 guard earned All-A-10 honorable mention after averaging 12.4 points and 6.4 assists last season.
Louis Graham: 6-8 forward from Georgia Southern was a first-team All-Southern Conference pick as a senior, and ranks first in career annals at Georgia Southern with 124 games. Averaged 16.8 points in Portugal last season.
Terry Martin: 6-5 guard played three years at LSU after transferring from Texas Tech. Ranked third on LSU with 10.5 points as a sophomore in 2006-07 season.
Jermaine Johnson: 6-7 forward was All-Southern Conference at Charleston.
Chris Davis: 6-3 guard played three seasons at Southern, earning All-SWAC honors twice.
Ronald Allen: 6-10 forward played for the Anaheim Arsenal last season after being selected in the 9th round of the 2008 Draft.
MAINE RED CLAWS
Paul Harris: 6-5 forward was All-BIG EAST at Syracuse, left after junior year and played for Utah Jazz in preseason.
Darnell Lazare: 6-8 forward spent last two years in Europe after college career at LSU. Averaged 5.0 points in his career with the Tigers and played on 2005-06 Final Four team.
Frank Young: 6-5 guard was All-BIG EAST at West Virginia in 2007 after averaging 15.3 points per game. Played in Holland for the last two seasons.
Gary Ervin: 6-1 guard from Arkansas split last season between Sioux Falls and Tulsa, averaging around 8.0 points per game.
Scooter McFadgon:Played in the NBA D-League for the Bakersfield Jam, where he scored 17.8 points during the 2007-08 season. The 6-5 guard spent the last season spanning the globe, playing for teams in Ukraine, Cyprus, Chile, and the Philippines.
Anthony Terrell: NBA D-League veteran averaged 7.1 points over two full seasons with Fort Worth, most recently in 2006-07. 6-6 guard started 62 games at UNC-Wilmington during his college career.
Tony Bobbitt: NBA D-League veteran last played for Colorado in the 2007-08 season. A second round pick by Bakersfield in 2006.
Matt Clement: 6-7 forward attended Maine tryout camp after playing in Ireland last season. North Atlantic Conference Player of the Year at Maine Maritime in 2004.
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Rashad Anderson: 6-5 guard won NCAA title at UConn and averaged 18.5 points in Italy last season.
Pat Carroll: 6-4 guard has spent last four seasons in Europe, primarily in Spain. Earned Honorable Mention All-America honors as a senior at St. Joseph's and is the school's all-time leader in three-point field goals. Brother of Mavericks guard and former NBA D-League MVP Matt Carroll.
Sean Barnette: 6-5 forward averaged 16.1 points in Franch second division last season. Earned D-2 All-American honors during his college career at Wingate.
Carl Mitchell: 6-9 forward averaged 14.5 points in Korea last season on title-winning team, was a CBA All-Star in 2006.
Joah Tucker: 6-5 forward was All-Horizon League at UW-Milwaukee. Has played in France for the last two seasons.
Casey Love: 6-8 forward was drafted by Fort Wayne in 2007 and Utah in 2008. Played for Chicago of the PBL last season.
Russell Hicks: 7-0 center earned All-Sun Belt honors at Florida International after transferring from Pepperdine. Native of Canada blocked 152 shots in his college career.
Marcus Walker: 6-1 guard averaged 17.1 points as both junior and senior at Colorado State, earning All-Mountain West honors.
FORT WAYNE MAD ANTS
Alade Aminu: 6-10 forward played four years at Georgia Tech, played for Miami Heat in the preseason.
Frank Tolbert: 6-4 forward was a four-year starter at Auburn between 2004 and 2008 and averaged 10.4 points in his college career. Played last season in Holland where he posted 12.9 points per contest.
Jamelle Cornley: 6-5 forward earned All-Big 10 honors at Penn State last season with 14.4 points and 6.4 rebounds. Big 10 Freshman of the Year in 2006.
Booker Woodfox: 6-1 guard was the Missouri Valley Player of the Year at Creighton last season with 15.8 points per game. Conference's sixth man of the year in 2008.
Lenny Stokes: 6-6 guard was All-NBA-D-League with Asheville in the 2004-05 season. All-Conference USA during career at Cincinnati.
CJ Anderson: 6-6 guard was MAAC Rookie of the Year at Manhattan, transferred to Xavier where was honorable mention all-Atlantic 10 in 2008-09.
Andres Sandoval: 6-3 guard averaged 6.4 points as a senior at Dayton in 2007-08. Drafted by Tulsa in last year's NBA D-League Draft but left and spent season playing in the Dominican Republic and Venezuela.
AJ Ratliff: 6-3 guard was state of Indiana's Mr. Basketball in 2004 and played four seasons at Indiana.
Curtis Withers: 6-8 forward has spent the last three seasons overseas, most recently in Isreal in 2008-09 season. Two-time All-Conference USA and honorable mention All American at Charlotte. Ranks second in career rebounds for the 49ers.
Doug Thomas: 6-9 forward played in all 50 games for the Iowa Energy in 2007-08. Big-10 Sixth Man of the Year at Iowa in 2006 played last season in Sweden.
Marcus Dove: 6-9 guard played in Belgium last season and with the Thunder in NBA Summer League. Two-time Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year at Oklahoma State.
D'Lancy Carter: 6-10 center finished career at St. Bonaventure after playing at Vincennes University. Ranked seventeenth in the Atlantic-10 with 6.2 rebounds as a junior.
Jason Straight:6-2 guard from Wyoming has spent the last five seasons playing in Europe, most recently in Cyprus. Averaged 13.1 points and earned honorable mention All-Mountain West honors during his career with the Cowboys.
Darren Cooper: 6-3 guard played in 43 games for the D-Fenders in 2008-09, scoring 7.3 points per game in his second season with the team.
Rashaad Powell: 6-6 guard was Big West Defensive Player of the Year in 2004 at Idaho. Has played in IBL, ABA, and CBA.
Jimmy Binnie: 6-7 forward reached the Elite Eight with Dayton in 2008 and was an All-Star in Denmark last season.
RIO GRANDE VALLEY VIPERS
Antonio Anderson: 6-6 guard set a school record for games and starts at Memphis and was the 2008-09 Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year.
Jonathan Wallace: 6-1 guard started all 136 games of his career at Georgetown, appearing in the Final Four with the Hoyas as a junior. Played in Slovenia and Germany last season, his first as a pro.
Jamarcus Ellis: 6-4 guard was National Junior College Player of the Year in 2007 and then played one season at Indiana.
Mickell Gladness: 6-11 center was a two-time All-SWAC performer at Alabama A&M. Averaged 2.7 points in Holland last season.
Kenny Dawkins:5-9 guard was All-Southland player at Lamar. Averaged 15.2 points and 4.2 assists last season as a senior.
Antoine Hood: 6-5 guard was All-Mountain West at Air Force. Played in all 50 games for 2006-07 Colorado 14ers team that reached NBA D-League Final.
Rashad Woods:6-5 forward played two years at Kent State after starting college career at DePaul.
DeAngelo Alexander: 6-6 swingman played for Oklahoma City in Orlando Summer League, spent 2008-09 season in Germany
SIOUX FALLS SKYFORCE
Raymond Sykes: 6-9 widebody forward/center just finished four-year career at Clemson. Averaged 7.9 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 1.0 blocks as a senior.
Pete Campbell: 6-7 forward played in Germany last season after time in Pacers training camp in 2008. Sixth in Butler's career rankings for three-point field goals made, and all-time leader in three-point percentage for the Bulldogs.
Reggie Williams: 6-5 forward is the leading scorer in VMI, Big South, and state of Virginia (Division One schools) history with 2,556 points. Averaged 12.5 points in France last season.
Leemire Goldwire: 5-11 guard ranks in top 10 in career points, steals, and three-pointers at Charlotte. Split last season between teams in Greece and Bulgaria.
Draelon Burns: 6-7 guard played four seasons at DePaul, where he earned All-BIG EAST honors. Averaged 15.7 points in Israel last season.
Nate Miles:6-7 guard played nine games scoring 19.1 points at Southern Idaho JC last season after leaving program at UConn.
Rodney Alexander: 6-7 forward finished career at Oklahoma City College after playing at JC and Illinois. Cousin of Knicks forward Wilson Chandler averaged 19.2 points as a senior.
Lawrence McKenzie: 6-2 guard played two seasons at Oklahoma and then finished career at Minnesota, where he was honorable mention All-Big Ten as a senior in 2007-08. Spent last season in Macedonia before playing in ten NBA D-League games with the Los Angeles D-Fenders.
JamesOn Curry: 6-4 guard is former NBA player who has seen some time in the NBA D-League both on assignment and as a free agent, playing in two different seasons with the Iowa Energy. Averaged 20.4 points on assignment from the Bulls in 2007-08.
Major Wingate: 6-10 center played in Romania and France last season, his third overseas. Averaged 6.4 points and 3.4 rebounds in three seasons at Tennessee.
James Cripe: 7-1 center played three years at Dayton, one at Northern Kentucky. Averaged 7.9 points and 4.1 rebounds in Japan last season.
Craig Austrie: Key contributor at guard over the last four seasons at UCONN, scoring 16 points in 2009 NCAA win over Purdue. Team went 56-12 when he was in the starting lineup during his career.
DeSean White: 6-8 forward was two-time Sun Conference Player of the Year at NAIA Northwood after leaving Providence. Averaged 19.4 points as a senior.
Perrin Johnson: 6-5 guard reached Final Four with Louisville in 2005. Played in 43 games for Dakota during 2007-08 NBA D-League season, averaging 3.3 points.
Brandon Jones: 6-6 forward was part of winningnest class in school history with 111 wins over four seasons at Amherst. Averaged 16.8 points in Germany's second division last season.
Brayden Billbe: 6-10 center from American has played in Japan and Denmark over the last two seasons.
Sundiata Gaines: 6-1 guard scored in double-figures all four seasons at Georgia, earning SEC Tournament MVP honors in 2008. Averaged 13.1 points last season in Italy.
Dar Tucker: 6-4 guard led DePaul last season with 18.5 points as a sophomore before electing to turn pro. Named to the BIG EAST All-Freshman team and ranks 13th in school history with 108 three-pointers.
Delonte Holland: 6-7 forward played at Rio Grande Valley last season but has spent majority of pro career in Italy. Earned All-Conference USA honors at DePaul in 2004.
TJ Cummings: 6-9 forward from UCLA won NBA D-League title in 2005-06 with Albuquerque, earning honorable mention league honors. Played briefly for Anaheim last season before signing in Belgium, where he averaged 3.8 points.
JC Mathis: 6-9 forward averaged 3.8 points in 46 games for Sioux Falls in 2007-08 season. Played in Spain last season.
Mike Gansey: 6-4 guard was All-BIG EAST at West Virginia and attended training camp with Miami Heat in 2006. Played in 19 games for Anaheim in 2007-08 NBA D-League Season before averaging 8.7 points in Germany last year.
Bryson McKenzie: 6-11 center has played for parts of the last three seasons in the NBA D-League with the Anaheim Arsenal. Also played in Chile last season.
Vince Oliver: 6-3 guard was first team All-Big West last season at Cal-Davis, posting 15.4 points per game.
Latavious WilliamsA 6-8 high-school forward ranked 17th in the nation by Rivals.com. Originally committed to Memphis but elected to go pro instead and became first high school player drafted by NBA D-League. Under the NBA age limit and not eligible for a GATORADE Call-Up this season.
Mustafa Shakur:Starting point guard for Arizona over his three-year career that ended in 2007. Not drafted by an NBA team, the 6-3 Shakur has spent the last two seasons in Europe, most recently in Spain and Greece last season.
Cecil Brown: 6-4 guard played for the D-Fenders in 2007-08, averaged 15.4 points in the French second division last season.
Jeral Davis: 7-1 center holds NAIA record with 20 blocked shots in a game. Led Talladega College with 17.7 points, 8.6 rebounds and 7.7 blocks last season.
Mitchell Johnson: 6-5 guard played college ball at Jarvis Christian and Idaho.
Keena Young: 6-6 forward was an All-American and Mountain West Player of the Year at BYU in 2007. Won league championship in Kosovo last season.
Adam McCoy: 6-4 guard averaged 8.7 points at North Texas last season.
Tim Parham: 6-8 forward was in training camp with the Golden State Warriors in 2006. Spent last season in Turkey. Led the MEAC with 8.6 rebounds in 2003-04 at Maryland-Eastern Shore.
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There were 44 former D-League players on NBA rosters on opening day. These are the top 5, with the link to the rest below.
PLAYER TEAM G MPG PPG↓ RPG APG SPG BPG
Brooks, Aaron HOU 6 36.7 18.3 2.5 7.7 0.7 0.5
Williams, Louis PHI 5 35.2 17.2 5.6 5.2 1.6 0.0
Jones, Dahntay IND 5 32.8 16.0 5.0 1.8 0.8 0.4
Blatche, Andray WAS 6 28.0 13.5 6.2 1.3 0.5 1.7
Azubuike, Kelenna GSW 4 22.5 12.3 4.5 0.5 0.2 1.0
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Drae Burns and Dar Tucker former DePaul hoopers... hopefully they do well...
I still believe Tucker would have been a top 15 pick in the 2011 draft if he would have stayed in school.