SF Giants Off Season Thread

Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
yay we fired our hitting coach about time

That sucks. I actually liked Carney. He just wasn't the guy for the job I guess. That was evident later in the season when he basically said that he can teach the guys how to be disciplined, but once they got into a game, it was out of his hands. If he wasn't taking any of the heat for them not being disciplined in games, then that too is his ass.

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

im with you hes overrrated but if we sign him im sure were gonna make the playoffs its just i hope he comes for the right amount

Originally posted by HaiGuise:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
yay we fired our hitting coach about time

That sucks. I actually liked Carney. He just wasn't the guy for the job I guess. That was evident later in the season when he basically said that he can teach the guys how to be disciplined, but once they got into a game, it was out of his hands. If he wasn't taking any of the heat for them not being disciplined in games, then that too is his ass.

I like the way he choked and stroked his bat before he swung...


... boy that sounded gay.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

im with you hes overrrated but if we sign him im sure were gonna make the playoffs its just i hope he comes for the right amount

I'm not sure what's not to like about Jason Bay. Haven't seen his price tag yet, and of course, that is a major consideration. But as far as talent, what don't you guys like about him?

Originally posted by SacRock14:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

im with you hes overrrated but if we sign him im sure were gonna make the playoffs its just i hope he comes for the right amount

I'm not sure what's not to like about Jason Bay. Haven't seen his price tag yet, and of course, that is a major consideration. But as far as talent, what don't you guys like about him?

Jason Bay is a good player, not a great player, and I just don't think we should pay a 31 year old Jason Bay $18-20 million per year, which is what is going to happen if we get into a bidding war for him.

This is a very weak free agent class. The Giants need to trade for a hitter instead of getting into a bidding war for Jason Bay or Matt Holliday.

[ Edited by crzy on Oct 14, 2009 at 23:04:40 ]

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

Overpaying for this guy sounds like a sabean move in the making

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

Overpaying for this guy sounds like a sabean move in the making

Bidding against yourself AND THEN overpaying sounds like a Sabean move. With that said, I'd rather have Holliday. He's younger, has better career averages and has proven he can hit at a high level in the NL. With that said, I'd rather have neither and trade for a bat.

Originally posted by crzy:
Anybody else not really that big on Jason Bay?

Especially with how much he will cost.

The rumor is that he wants to return to the West Coast (He's from British Columbia) . . . if true our stiffest competition may come from Seattle . . . and hopefully looking at the pitching here he can see SF as an immediate playoff contender. So hopefully we wouldn't need to offer-up what the Red-Sox or Yankess may be willing to pay him.

Giants going for a little Kikuchi?

18-year old Japanese pitcher with a 96 MPH fastball

Originally posted by SacRock14:
Giants going for a little Kikuchi?

18-year old Japanese pitcher with a 96 MPH fastball

LOL. In other news, I read Baggs blog on carney, we fired him the day he buried his dad

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by SacRock14:
Giants going for a little Kikuchi?

18-year old Japanese pitcher with a 96 MPH fastball

LOL. In other news, I read Baggs blog on carney, we fired him the day he buried his dad

Carney Lansford on his firing: “Never take a job for sentimental reasons”

Carney Lansford is one of the most honest, most passionate people in uniform I’ve covered over the past 14 years.

So I knew if he returned my call yesterday following the news he wouldn’t return as the Giants’ hitting coach, he’d offer a richly candid assessment of the decision, the job he tried to do and the talent level with which he worked.

More than anything, I knew he’d speak from the heart.

Well, he didn’t return my call last night, but there was a very good reason. He was burying his father-in-law.

“I’d gotten the call from Boch two hours before the service,” Lansford said. “Heck of a day.”

From his home amid the Oregon pines, Lansford got back to me first thing this morning. And as I expected, he had a lot of emotions upon hearing that he wouldn’t come back. Relief was one. Surprise was not.

You could boil down his thoughts into one statement:

“There’s two things I learned,” he said. “Never take a job for sentimental reasons and never take a hitting coach job with an offensively challenged team.”

I’ll have to pick out a few other quotes for the newspaper account, but in this space, I’ll present Carney in his own words:

“Well, obviously it’s not a shock, not a surprise. The reason we didn’t win is we weren’t good enough offensively. You certainly can’t blame the pitching. I wish I had more offense to work with, but I had what I had. I don’t know what I would’ve done differently. I did not work out. I wish the Giants nothing but the best. All I wanted to do is help them win a world championship. Growing up in the Bay Area, watching the Giants and playing for the A’s, winning a World Series with the A’s, that’s all I wanted to do. It wasn’t for the money. I didn’t need the money.

“Two things I learned: Never take a job for sentimental reasons and never take a hitting coach job with an offensively challenged team. You’re setting yourself up for a no-win. Had I had an offense like the Dodgers or Angels or Red Sox or Rockies or Yankees, and had we underachieved, I’d really take it hard. But I think everybody knew, and we all expected, that we’d be an offensively challenged team. That said, we were able to stay in the wild card hunt until the final week of the season. I’m really proud of that. We kept the fans interested and excited for six months. I believe in my own mind that the team overachieved, and I believe that’s due to the coaching staff and Boch motivating these guys. I really think that’s true.”

“I wish the next guy nothing but the best. I don’t know if they’ve announced the next guy and I don’t care. But the Giants deserve to win a World Series. Their fans deserve it. As a fan of the Giants, I’ll be happy, too.”

“They were looking for a miracle worker. It didn’t happen. I wish with all my heart we had gotten to the postseason. I went to three World Series with the A’s and I tried to teach those guys everything we did to get there. You can’t compare those two teams — there was a ton of talent (in Oakland) — but you try to instill in them the same work ethic and pride. That more than anything is what I tried to relay to the guys.”

“If the Giants felt they needed a fresh voice and somebody might relate to a few hitters better, hey, all the best to ‘em. I’m not going to lose sleep because I’m not the hitting coach of the San Francisco Giants. That’s not going to happen.”

(On expressing frustration with his public comments or body language
“I cared. I genuinely cared. If that was a fault of mine, if that’s what cost me my job, then so be it. I can live with that.”

“My only comment on the situational hitting is the first thing I was told when I took the job is it was atrocious. Did we work on that? More than you’ll ever know. They just didn’t get it done. We had meetings, we talked about the thought process, we talked about what pitch to look for. I don’t know if anyone had to move more runners than I did, as much as I had to move Rickey (Henderson) all those years. But going out early and doing it against batting practice? Anybody can do that. It comes down to games, when guys are throwing 95 mph fastballs and curveballs when you don’t know they’re coming. You can emphasize the heck out of it, but at some point you just have to find a way to get it done.

“At some point, guys have to take responsibility for not doing that. That’s one thing I stressed to the guys – Step up and be responsible for yourself. Guys at the big league level, by the time they get there, should know how to do that stuff – move runners, get a guy home from third with less than two outs. If guys are learning that at the big league level, it’s too late. A major league player should not be as poor at it as we were in my two years. Do I take it personally? Of course I do. I know it cost us games. I’m a human being. I’m not a machine. But I’ll sleep good at night knowing I took my best shot.”

“What’s next for me? Well, relax for a couple weeks, clear my head and make a decision about whether I want to coach. Both my sons are pitching now. I’ll go watch my kids. That’s something I’ll always want to do. If that’s the worst thing that happens, I’ve had a pretty good life.”

“I’m not bitter against the Giants, not one bit, and I hope that comes across. I’ll be rooting for them. I was in that coaches’ room for two years after losses and I know how hard those guys work and how much they want to win. So believe me, I’ll be watching and hoping.”

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2009/10/15/carney-lansford-on-his-firing-never-take-a-job-for-sentimental-reasons/#more-2309

I wish Carney the best of luck.

Originally posted by KALI-KING:
I wish Carney the best of luck.

I do too. Its not his fault he was put in a position with a team of guys who didn't understand the value of sacrifice. He was a good to almost great hitter with the Red Sox and A's who just didn't get his message across to guys who refused to listen.

Originally posted by BigRon:

Originally posted by KALI-KING:
I wish Carney the best of luck.

I do too. Its not his fault he was put in a position with a team of guys who didn't understand the value of sacrifice. He was a good to almost great hitter with the Red Sox and A's who just didn't get his message across to guys who refused to listen.

I forgot where I read it, but he had some success with the younger guys that were open and listened to his teaching. It was the older guys, who are more set in their ways that failed him (ahem... Rowand ).