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Alex Smith's potential...

On the first drive, Smith tried to force the ball to Davis twice. On the first play Bajema was uncovered, on the second DJack was open. After the Pitt fumble, Gore was open in the flat, but Smith tried to force it to Battle. I could go on. Last time I checked it wasn't against the rules to hit an alternate receiver.

The whole offense is struggling. Smith deserves his share of the criticism. He hasn't improved on his weaknesses. He still lacks vision, and doesn't move in the pocket.
Conservative Coach + new, green OC who's on a short leash + young QB who's not allowed to audible when there are obvious blitzes + changed scheme in the running game (up the middle vs off-tackle, pitches and dealys) + marginally healthy starting receivers who don't regularly practice during the week with the QB =

a stagnant offense.
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Conservative Coach + new, green OC who's on a short leash + young QB who's not allowed to audible when there are obvious blitzes + changed scheme in the running game (up the middle vs off-tackle, pitches and dealys) + marginally healthy starting receivers who don't regularly practice during the week with the QB =

a stagnant offense.

Audible! Smith can't even check off to a second receiver. What makes you think he could audible.
Originally posted by leolion:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Conservative Coach + new, green OC who's on a short leash + young QB who's not allowed to audible when there are obvious blitzes + changed scheme in the running game (up the middle vs off-tackle, pitches and dealys) + marginally healthy starting receivers who don't regularly practice during the week with the QB =

a stagnant offense.

Audible! Smith can't even check off to a second receiver. What makes you think he could audible.

Well that's a bit of an over exaggeration don't you think?
MWC, not MAC.
Is Alex Smith better than Rex Grossman? the bears gave him 29 starts and road him to the superbowl, then they benched him. Alex already has 35 starts. People were dazled by the fact that alex increased his QB rating 30 points in one off season but this is completely blown out of hand. He went from a qb rating of 40!!! worst in nfl rookie history to a QB rating of 70, still a low number compaired to nfl starters. Now if you had told me that he went from 60 to 90 or 70 to 100 i would be extatic. But lets be Honest with ourselves, Alex can make great throws, he can make plays with his legs and his vision is an area he needs to improve on. But to judge of the first three games this season, well thats an unfair judgment. We have a first year OC, so obviously Alex will regress by nature due to a rookie playcaller on the sidelines. Plus there have been some problems with our recievers and the QB comunication. I think that hostler should call more plays with short checkdowns, so if alex cant quickly find his 1 and 2 option he has a quick checkdown, this should be second nature. I dont think Alex is as bad as Rex but if you look at history, other starting QB's have done more there first 3 years than alex has so far and they were still sent packing. I want to see Alex become the man that Nolan has lead me to think he can be. But if he truely has regressed after the end of this season, i dont think it would stupid to draft a QB with one of our first day picks next year or pick up someone in the offseason. It was said on one of the other topics but there is something to look at with trent dilfer, which is just because dilfer has played 10+ years and has a ring doesn't mean he is a great QB to learn from and i pray Alex doesn't pick up Trents playing style. Alex has great potential he just lacks maturity as nolan constantly reminds people about.
Originally posted by 49Gorillas:
Is Alex Smith better than Rex Grossman? the bears gave him 29 starts and road him to the superbowl, then they benched him. Alex already has 35 starts. People were dazled by the fact that alex increased his QB rating 30 points in one off season but this is completely blown out of hand. He went from a qb rating of 40!!! worst in nfl rookie history to a QB rating of 70, still a low number compaired to nfl starters. Now if you had told me that he went from 60 to 90 or 70 to 100 i would be extatic. But lets be Honest with ourselves, Alex can make great throws, he can make plays with his legs and his vision is an area he needs to improve on. But to judge of the first three games this season, well thats an unfair judgment. We have a first year OC, so obviously Alex will regress by nature due to a rookie playcaller on the sidelines. Plus there have been some problems with our recievers and the QB comunication. I think that hostler should call more plays with short checkdowns, so if alex cant quickly find his 1 and 2 option he has a quick checkdown, this should be second nature. I dont think Alex is as bad as Rex but if you look at history, other starting QB's have done more there first 3 years than alex has so far and they were still sent packing. I want to see Alex become the man that Nolan has lead me to think he can be. But if he truely has regressed after the end of this season, i dont think it would stupid to draft a QB with one of our first day picks next year or pick up someone in the offseason. It was said on one of the other topics but there is something to look at with trent dilfer, which is just because dilfer has played 10+ years and has a ring doesn't mean he is a great QB to learn from and i pray Alex doesn't pick up Trents playing style. Alex has great potential he just lacks maturity as nolan constantly reminds people about.


yeah, if the entire offense wasn't struggling, only Alex, I would agree with alot of the bashing, but the fact is, everyone is trying to get in sync with Hostler, and no one should be surprised if things do not start off great at first.
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...
Originally posted by MBniner:
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...

hard to consistently convert 3rd downs when they're 3rd and LONG. No help from the running game so far.
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...

hard to consistently convert 3rd downs when they're 3rd and LONG. No help from the running game so far.

Pittsburgh seemed to convert a few on us last week...
Originally posted by MBniner:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...

hard to consistently convert 3rd downs when they're 3rd and LONG. No help from the running game so far.

Pittsburgh seemed to convert a few on us last week...

a few were aided by penalties (see Nate's holding call) and yes, they had the running game going. BTW, alex converted a few too.
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...

hard to consistently convert 3rd downs when they're 3rd and LONG. No help from the running game so far.

Pittsburgh seemed to convert a few on us last week...

a few were aided by penalties (see Nate's holding call) and yes, they had the running game going. BTW, alex converted a few too.

Please tell me you agree, though, that 3rd downs are a serious problem. So important to convert in so many ways. I guess someone has to be last in converting them, but it shouldn't be us!
i think smith's success, like most QB's, will be based on who he has to throw to. carson palmer and smith have similar career stories, but palmer progressed faster and better. palmer is more talented, but he also had chad johnson and housh to throw to. until VD breaks out, and we get a WR with some big play talent, i dont think you see smith reach his potential. jeff garcia wouldnt have been anything special without the help of Owens.

im going to give smith until midway next season before i officially decide whether hes a bust. by 8 games into your 4th NFL season you should be fully ready to play at your max potential as a QB. we might know what he is by the end of this season. just have to wait and see.
Originally posted by MBniner:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
Originally posted by socalniner:
Originally posted by MBniner:
The point is, Alex has not be able to do it on his own. Truly great QB's seem to make other, somewhat mediocre players (see D. Jackson) better, almost through will. They make plays. Alex doesn't seem to be able to do that at this point. Now before you go pointing to the Arizona game, think about our 3rd down percentage. I think we're last in the league. That is a crucial stat. He needs to be able to sustain drives better; if his receivers are making the wrong breaks, running wrong routes, whatever, take it on yourself. There were a few instances where he could have taken off and run for the first, and didn't. 3rd downs are critical, IMHO, and we can't convert for some reason. Also, think about our red zone offense; not all of that can be put on poor blocking and offensive play calling...

hard to consistently convert 3rd downs when they're 3rd and LONG. No help from the running game so far.

Pittsburgh seemed to convert a few on us last week...

a few were aided by penalties (see Nate's holding call) and yes, they had the running game going. BTW, alex converted a few too.

Please tell me you agree, though, that 3rd downs are a serious problem. So important to convert in so many ways. I guess someone has to be last in converting them, but it shouldn't be us!


yea, it's a problem for sure. But there are other stats like pts/game that we're not last in and someone's driving us down the field to put us in position to score.
Originally posted by Niners99:
i think smith's success, like most QB's, will be based on who he has to throw to. carson palmer and smith have similar career stories, but palmer progressed faster and better. palmer is more talented, but he also had chad johnson and housh to throw to. until VD breaks out, and we get a WR with some big play talent, i dont think you see smith reach his potential. jeff garcia wouldnt have been anything special without the help of Owens.

im going to give smith until midway next season before i officially decide whether hes a bust. by 8 games into your 4th NFL season you should be fully ready to play at your max potential as a QB. we might know what he is by the end of this season. just have to wait and see.

Tom Brady...(why can't he come home?!!!)