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Boldin versus Harvin

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
If it was equal with pay and picks Boldin would have to be younger.

Yup
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
You two disagree on the best counter but I advocate both. First two picks are Kawann Short/Datone Jones and Jessie Williams/John Jenkins. Honey Badger and a rush backer in the third round.



Im about 75% sold on Honey Badger, if it wasnt for the character issues i would probably be 100%

He seems pretty firmly entrenched in the 3rd round right now, after being a presumed 1st rounder during his LSU heyday. So yeah there are character concerns, but I think at that point and with our picks you take the risk. Other than character, the biggest thing keeping him from the elite CB conversation is his size, but as a slot CB and punt returner, he's a prototypical fit. Big-time play-maker.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Don't forget salary and draft picks. If all was equal with pay and picks, I'd take Harvin in a heartbeat. Boldin is past his prime but still really good. Harvin is dynamic but there's a huge question mark regarding his ability to stay healthy and happy. You don't give a guy 10+ mil a year and big draft picks if he's a questionable character guy with injury concerns. And I think the injury concerns will always be there. He's a small guy who looks to take contact. Eventually Patrick Willis is going to hurt him really bad.

No question Percy cost a pretty penny!

But, I guess I'll have to trust John and Pete to have structured his contract in a way that considers future cap consideration (I've heard it's heavily front-loaded).
I would think that most of the players the Hawks are currently paying anything significant to (Lynch, Rice, Miller to name a few) will be gone before it's time to give RW, et al their big pay day.
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
He seems pretty firmly entrenched in the 3rd round right now, after being a presumed 1st rounder during his LSU heyday. So yeah there are character concerns, but I think at that point and with our picks you take the risk. Other than character, the biggest thing keeping him from the elite CB conversation is his size, but as a slot CB and punt returner, he's a prototypical fit. Big-time play-maker.

He's just what this team needs. Taking a guy with character concerns shouldn't be a huge deal with Whitner, Cowboy, and Willis there to keep him straight.
Originally posted by LisaTwelve:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Don't forget salary and draft picks. If all was equal with pay and picks, I'd take Harvin in a heartbeat. Boldin is past his prime but still really good. Harvin is dynamic but there's a huge question mark regarding his ability to stay healthy and happy. You don't give a guy 10+ mil a year and big draft picks if he's a questionable character guy with injury concerns. And I think the injury concerns will always be there. He's a small guy who looks to take contact. Eventually Patrick Willis is going to hurt him really bad.

No question Percy cost a pretty penny!

But, I guess I'll have to trust John and Pete to have structured his contract in a way that considers future cap consideration (I've heard it's heavily front-loaded).
I would think that most of the players the Hawks are currently paying anything significant to (Lynch, Rice, Miller to name a few) will be gone before it's time to give RW, et al their big pay day.

Time will tell. This season is gonna be epic.
Originally posted by shaneblonien:
He's just what this team needs. Taking a guy with character concerns shouldn't be a huge deal with Whitner, Cowboy, and Willis there to keep him straight.

Good point. Justin has seemed to straighten out Aldon a little. I just dont think were gunna pick him up unless he falls into the 3rd possibly even the 4th even though Donatell seems to like the kid.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Yup

But for a younger boldin at the same cost I would still take a purer wr in Boldin then a much more talented version of ted ginn. Based purely off of what we already have on the team. Maybe Im crazy but thats just the way i feel.
[ Edited by LoneWolf on Mar 15, 2013 at 11:52 PM ]
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Yup

But for a younger boldin at the same cost I would still take a purer wr in Boldin then a much more talented version of ted ginn. Based purely off of what we already have on the team. Maybe Im crazy but thats just the way i feel.

Stop trying to argue with me. I agree with you.

I just think right now Harvin is clearly the more talented player (but that comes with question marks and a high price tag/picks). Boldin in his prime would s**t on Harvin IMHO.
[ Edited by AmpLee on Mar 15, 2013 at 11:55 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Stop trying to argue with me. I agree with you.

I just think right now Harvin is clearly the more talented player (but that comes with question marks and a high price tag/picks). Boldin in his prime would s**t on Harvin IMHO.

Dammit I wanted to argue with someone and it seems like everyone has disappeared from the zone lol. Living in another time zone sucks.
Originally posted by VANiner:
Agreed. I just remembered that hit and had to make mention of what a stud Boldin is. My head would have literally exploded if that happened to me...

He broke his face on that hit. He was on the injury report for a couple weeks. The report said out (face). He missed a couple weeks if I recall correctly. Most receivers would think about a change of career after that. Boldin is indeed one tough dude.
Harvin, wish we would have traded for him. As 49er fans, I know yall going to throw every negative at Harvin and downplay it but the truth is that he is young and true playmaker.
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Stop trying to argue with me. I agree with you.

I just think right now Harvin is clearly the more talented player (but that comes with question marks and a high price tag/picks). Boldin in his prime would s**t on Harvin IMHO.

Dammit I wanted to argue with someone and it seems like everyone has disappeared from the zone lol. Living in another time zone sucks.

nuh uh you're wrong
Better player? Harvin.

Which move will make their respective team better? Boldin trade IMO, because we didn't give up much for him. We still have our first pick and then some.
[ Edited by SFTifoso on Mar 16, 2013 at 2:30 AM ]
Originally posted by ninermedic:
nuh uh you're wrong

Uh huh it does too. Almost as bad as the seahawks.
harvin is good but they lost the 1st rounder for him so they got one good player but missed out on another. we traded a 6th for boldin and still have our first rounder. two good players>one good player. both will contribute big time this year but were building for sustained success while seattle is trying to win a sb right now and they arent worried about the impending salary cap hell they brought on themselves with all their signings.
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