Originally posted by Kolohe:It happens, but my example was to point out that in the many matchups that take place over the course of a game, everyone wins a couple every now and again. Good players win their fair share and great players win the majority of them. Which category do you think Soap falls in?
You missed at times Aldon Smith has been beaten by a TE or a RB and has been chipped by a TE or RB too. But by your thinking, you think Ray Mac or Aldon are suppose to beat a RB, TE, one-on-one every single time....not true at all or is it realistic.
Also I'm not saying your saying Sopoaga is bad or not, its your opinion anyway. And its not like Sopoaga will command a big contract, I'm pretty sure he knows his road is coming to an end. Either way we will draft a NT or bring in someone via Free Agency, don't know what some are crying about.
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Feb 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM
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Feb 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Kolohe:It happens, but my example was to point out that in the many matchups that take place over the course of a game, everyone wins a couple every now and again. Good players win their fair share and great players win the majority of them. Which category do you think Soap falls in?
You missed at times Aldon Smith has been beaten by a TE or a RB and has been chipped by a TE or RB too. But by your thinking, you think Ray Mac or Aldon are suppose to beat a RB, TE, one-on-one every single time....not true at all or is it realistic.
Also I'm not saying your saying Sopoaga is bad or not, its your opinion anyway. And its not like Sopoaga will command a big contract, I'm pretty sure he knows his road is coming to an end. Either way we will draft a NT or bring in someone via Free Agency, don't know what some are crying about.
Good or great is not the word I would use for Sopoaga, I'd say Sopoaga is serviceable. Meaning, he has the tools to fill the position until our 1st or 2nd round pick is up to speed to take over.
Feb 14, 2013 at 11:45 PM
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According to this link, it says Sopoaga's odds of staying will be determined if Jean Francois leaves or not.
Feb 15, 2013 at 3:30 AM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Good or great is not the word I would use for Sopoaga, I'd say Sopoaga is serviceable. Meaning, he has the tools to fill the position until our 1st or 2nd round pick is up to speed to take over.
Exactly. He's ok and very replaceable.
Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 AM
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He played 20% of defensive snaps, combined with his age makes he think he will not have a lot of teams interested. For the right price, I would resign (1-2 yrs) him only for rotational purposes and draft his replacement.
Feb 15, 2013 at 6:15 AM
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Of course we resign him. But we also address the NT position with one of our 1st 2 picks in the draft.
Feb 15, 2013 at 6:50 AM
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Good or great is not the word I would use for Sopoaga, I'd say Sopoaga is serviceable. Meaning, he has the tools to fill the position until our 1st or 2nd round pick is up to speed to take over.
Exactly. He's ok and very replaceable.
Very replaceable--could describe every player on the team. Willis is one of the best players in the NFL and until Bowman came along I couldn't imagine having two of him. Now we do.
When I look at lists of FA NTs I do not see anyone better than Sop who will likely sign with the niners...and rookies are not a safe bet. Then there is the continuity issue--do you allow both RJF and Sop to leave? Both are easy to replace but how does that impact the lines chemistry?
It would be interesting to try and list the players from most to least replaceable--I would put Sop somewhere low middle of that list--but they just went to the super bowl so it's not a bad group of athletes...just very replaceable...and within ten or so years they will all be replaced.
Feb 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM
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What a ridiculous take. If you could describe almost every member of the team as "replaceable", they wouldn't have gone deep in the playoffs two years in a row.
Feb 15, 2013 at 12:13 PM
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RickyJ and a early pick >>> Soap
Feb 15, 2013 at 2:56 PM
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
What a ridiculous take. If you could describe almost every member of the team as "replaceable", they wouldn't have gone deep in the playoffs two years in a row.
My point is/has been that before you say someone is expendable you should have a clear replacement in mind. Sopoaga is not an all-pro but he has been a solid NT. RJF has not moved him out, nor Williams, so I assume they are not as good as Sop. A rookie is not likely to be as good either. Many posters are saying cut Sopoaga but are not offering an alternative that is viable--basically saying "draft anyone in the first or second and round and they will be as good." That is a ridiculous take!
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
RickyJ and a early pick >>> Soap
This could be true, but we will have to see if Harbaugh believes this is the answer in the next month or two.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 15, 2013 at 2:57 PM ]
Feb 15, 2013 at 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
RickyJ and a early pick >>> Soap
what makes you say that?
from what i was seeing RJF wasn't getting any pressure while playing DE when Justin Smith was hurt.
Feb 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by ginseng1000:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
RickyJ and a early pick >>> Soap
what makes you say that?
from what i was seeing RJF wasn't getting any pressure while playing DE when Justin Smith was hurt.
RickyJ is a beast for a backup, the man might not be a great pass rusher, but he fills gaps well and is cheaper
Feb 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM
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Originally posted by NinerGM:
I'm for re-signing Soap but at the right price. I don't think you can "fix" the secondary without addressing the LOS. We know we have a serviceable defensive backfield. The source of the 49ers defensive problems seem more attributed to the health of Justin Smith than the coverage skills of Brown, Rogers, Culliver, Goldson and Whitner. I think it would be monumental waste of money to invest tens of millions in a secondary without significantly upgrading the DL depth with both pass-rush and guys that demand double-teams other than Justin Smith. If you're LOS is dominant, everything else falls into place.
I do not disagree with this at all, but the NT generally does not sack the QB often or apply much pressure. The 3/4 is designed to allow the LBs to flow to the ball while the DL holds the LOS. If there is any oddity I have noticed over the past two years is that the niner DL is able to stack it up, leaving the team able to rush or blitz fewer people. Fangio said, when he first came to SF, that Willis' one weakness was blitzing and that he would need to learn this skill. They have blitzed the MLBs very seldom, though more in the play offs. It would be really interesting if someone kept a record of how many rush on any passing down. I would bet the niners rush the fewest in the league on average. This is a credit to the DL.
Could they put more pressure on the QB if they blitzed more? I think so. But Willis and Bowman are so good at all aspects of the game that they are often used in coverage.
Edit: But do they need to draft for the DL high this year? I would think so!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 16, 2013 at 4:00 PM ]
Feb 17, 2013 at 5:59 AM
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Would not resign him...draft a rookie NT...need to use the money elsewhere....plus Soap was OK but can be replaced
Feb 17, 2013 at 7:33 AM
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Only at the right price.