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The QBR ratings for both the regular season and the playoffs as of 1/14/13

We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

Hmm... I consider the QBR arbitrary. With the NFL system, all are at least measured with the same weights.
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

Hmm... I consider the QBR arbitrary. With the NFL system, all are at least measured with the same weights.


It doesn't hurt to look at both, I am not advocating dumping the NFL system entirely. What QBR gives you is a measure of how much those passes affected the outcome of the game--did that play increase your likelihood of winning? And it takes into accounts rushing as well as a metric to judge QB play. What it does, for example, is avoid inflating rating based on garbage time, or the dreaded "9 yard pass on 3rd and 10"
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Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

I wasn't a huge fan either, but the top 4 in QBR are still playing football (playoff QBR that is).
CHFF (Cold Hard Football Facts) uses Real QB Rating:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/famous-last-words-49ers-will-regret-starting-kaepernick/20835/

Similar conclusions
we gotz all thuh talents.
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

Hmm... I consider the QBR arbitrary. With the NFL system, all are at least measured with the same weights.


It doesn't hurt to look at both, I am not advocating dumping the NFL system entirely. What QBR gives you is a measure of how much those passes affected the outcome of the game--did that play increase your likelihood of winning? And it takes into accounts rushing as well as a metric to judge QB play. What it does, for example, is avoid inflating rating based on garbage time, or the dreaded "9 yard pass on 3rd and 10"


The traditional quarterback rating would greatly reward this play. Also, if you attempt a pass that falls incomplete on 3rd and 10, yet another player does not even TRY to get the 1st down, it's likely the player who did not even attempt to make the first down will end up with a better rating, because they will either take a sack, throw a meaningless checkdown for 5 yards or run for a 1 or 2 yard gain out of bounds.
Originally posted by ALLDONE:
CHFF (Cold Hard Football Facts) uses Real QB Rating:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/famous-last-words-49ers-will-regret-starting-kaepernick/20835/

Similar conclusions


I love the article lol

"The Cold, Hard Football Facts will eat more crow this week than a starving family of rabid cats, and were deservedly crushed on the Twittersphere for a rather vocal prediction gone wrong."


We made a rather large amount of noise last week about Jim Harbaugh's terrible decision to start Colin Kaepernick.

"The 49ers will regret this decision ultimately and they may regret it as soon as this week," we said on CHFF TV.



"Jim Harbaugh will regret the decision to bench highly efficient quarterback Alex Smith in favor of Colin Kaepernick," wrote a certain so-called Potentate of Pigskin on SI.com. "And there's a good chance that moment of regret will come Saturday night at Candlestick Park."









Originally posted by zillabeast:
Originally posted by ALLDONE:
CHFF (Cold Hard Football Facts) uses Real QB Rating:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/famous-last-words-49ers-will-regret-starting-kaepernick/20835/

Similar conclusions


I love the article lol

"The Cold, Hard Football Facts will eat more crow this week than a starving family of rabid cats, and were deservedly crushed on the Twittersphere for a rather vocal prediction gone wrong."


We made a rather large amount of noise last week about Jim Harbaugh's terrible decision to start Colin Kaepernick.

"The 49ers will regret this decision ultimately and they may regret it as soon as this week," we said on CHFF TV.



"Jim Harbaugh will regret the decision to bench highly efficient quarterback Alex Smith in favor of Colin Kaepernick," wrote a certain so-called Potentate of Pigskin on SI.com. "And there's a good chance that moment of regret will come Saturday night at Candlestick Park."










Yup love that they owned up to making a mistake.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

Hmm... I consider the QBR arbitrary. With the NFL system, all are at least measured with the same weights.


It doesn't hurt to look at both, I am not advocating dumping the NFL system entirely. What QBR gives you is a measure of how much those passes affected the outcome of the game--did that play increase your likelihood of winning? And it takes into accounts rushing as well as a metric to judge QB play. What it does, for example, is avoid inflating rating based on garbage time, or the dreaded "9 yard pass on 3rd and 10"


The traditional quarterback rating would greatly reward this play. Also, if you attempt a pass that falls incomplete on 3rd and 10, yet another player does not even TRY to get the 1st down, it's likely the player who did not even attempt to make the first down will end up with a better rating, because they will either take a sack, throw a meaningless checkdown for 5 yards or run for a 1 or 2 yard gain out of bounds.

Well to be fair, one is technically a passer rating. I believe it only looks at passing stats and not all the other nuances of quarterbacking. Which makes total qbr an interesting take, if not a bit subjective.
[ Edited by Godsleftsock on Jan 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM ]
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by ElDannMann:
We've got two Niners in the top 10. Nice.



I hate the QBR though.


I don't think it's that bad, I see the value in measuring not just what the QB did but when he did it etc. I read Sando's NFC West blog a lot and he gets into the details of it so I feel like I'm pretty familiar with it...it's not perfect but it does serve as a good foil to the arbitrary NFL system.

Hmm... I consider the QBR arbitrary. With the NFL system, all are at least measured with the same weights.


It doesn't hurt to look at both, I am not advocating dumping the NFL system entirely. What QBR gives you is a measure of how much those passes affected the outcome of the game--did that play increase your likelihood of winning? And it takes into accounts rushing as well as a metric to judge QB play. What it does, for example, is avoid inflating rating based on garbage time, or the dreaded "9 yard pass on 3rd and 10"


The traditional quarterback rating would greatly reward this play. Also, if you attempt a pass that falls incomplete on 3rd and 10, yet another player does not even TRY to get the 1st down, it's likely the player who did not even attempt to make the first down will end up with a better rating, because they will either take a sack, throw a meaningless checkdown for 5 yards or run for a 1 or 2 yard gain out of bounds.

Well to be fair, one is technically a passer rating. I believe it only looks at passing stats and not all the other nuances of quarterbacking. Which makes total qbr an interesting take, if not a bit subjective.

Sadly the passer rating doesn't take sacks etc into account which doesn't even completely reflect a pocket passer.