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Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again

Originally posted by Furlow:
If all you're going to do is bring up the same old, uneducated, Alex-bashing talking points, then there is no point in discussing this with you. I'll leave you guys alone so you can worship Kaepernick and Harbaugh who can obviously do nothing wrong.

I have a feeling that no matter what Kaep has done, you're resentful of him and his success because your boy got a "raw deal". You need to get over it.
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by Crysknife10:
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Right, the 49ers should make football decisions based on what would make the best fairy tale story lines for a particular player. People keep talking about being "flashy." Who said Kaepernick was given the starting job because he is more "flashy"? He was given the starting job because he is the better QB and the offense was more explosive under him. You need that on a team in case your defense and/or special teams don't play well, like what we saw in the playoffs. I really like Alex Smith and wish him the best, and although I think he may have gotten a raw deal in his first year with the Niners, I think the best thing that happened for his career is the arrival of Jim Harbaugh. The only reason he would have any interest on the market is because Harbaugh resurrected his career. But in the end, Jim Harbaugh has to do what is best for the TEAM, and not what is best to possibly make a feel good story for some emotional fans.

Alex was clutch in the redzone. Better chance of getting a TD in the last drive. I dissagree on Kaep being a better QB. I think they are very very close numbers wise, but Alex gets the edge on game management and smarts. I'm not just being emotional. You shouldn't lose your spot if you get hurt.

Ah THAT old chestnut.

It's the coach's job to play what he believes to be his best team.

So if Alex is clutch and has a better chance of scoring TDs, why did he go 15/24 for 140 yards with 0 TDs, 1 pick and take 9 sacks last time they played Baltimore.

there was a 76 yard td pass, negated by chilo rachal

Actually it was negated by Frank for going low while Chilo was engaged. Not defending Chilo in anyway though because I thought it was a bad call
Really guys, we're still arguing about Alex?
Originally posted by 951NINER:
Really guys, we're still arguing about Alex?

It's because we lost the Super bowl and they want to blame Alex for being a distraction to the team just because he's on it. If we won it would probably be worse. Alex will get dumped on no matter what.
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
Originally posted by 951NINER:
Really guys, we're still arguing about Alex?

It's because we lost the Super bowl and they want to blame Alex for being a distraction to the team just because he's on it. If we won it would probably be worse. Alex will get dumped on no matter what.

Alex no care. He would never read this drivel or give two sh*ts what spews out from the petty and hateful. He'll take his millions and set sail for what he deems a scrupulous organization.
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Furlow:
If all you're going to do is bring up the same old, uneducated, Alex-bashing talking points, then there is no point in discussing this with you. I'll leave you guys alone so you can worship Kaepernick and Harbaugh who can obviously do nothing wrong.

I have a feeling that no matter what Kaep has done, you're resentful of him and his success because your boy got a "raw deal". You need to get over it.

You Smith haters are the ones that need to get over it. Just because we don't blindly believe Kaepernick is Jesus in cleats, and that Harbaugh can do no wrong, does not mean that we are "resentful" or "hating on" Kaep. It also does not mean we think Smith "should be starting" or any of the other crap that you guys are saying. The bottom line is that every single time someone says something remotely critical of Kaepernick, the come back is "well Alex couldn't do this or that." As if that is some type of valid excuse for Kaepernick's mistakes or shortcomings.
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Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
Originally posted by 951NINER:
Really guys, we're still arguing about Alex?

It's because we lost the Super bowl and they want to blame Alex for being a distraction to the team just because he's on it. If we won it would probably be worse. Alex will get dumped on no matter what.

Alex no care. He would never read this drivel or give two sh*ts what spews out from the petty and hateful. He'll take his millions and set sail for what he deems a scrupulous organization.

He will go where the 49ers trade him, just like he signed the contract last year after the 49ers went after Manning. He has no say in the matter . Sure he would like to be released, but the 49ers will do what is best for the team.
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Originally posted by pd24:
He will go where the 49ers trade him, just like he signed the contract last year after the 49ers went after Manning. He has no say in the matter . Sure he would like to be released, but the 49ers will do what is best for the team.

+1,000
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Really hoping we get some great trade value out of Smith to compensate for years of atrocious play.
Originally posted by WWFGD:
Really hoping we get some great trade value out of Smith to compensate for years of atrocious play.

Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Furlow:
If all you're going to do is bring up the same old, uneducated, Alex-bashing talking points, then there is no point in discussing this with you. I'll leave you guys alone so you can worship Kaepernick and Harbaugh who can obviously do nothing wrong.

I have a feeling that no matter what Kaep has done, you're resentful of him and his success because your boy got a "raw deal". You need to get over it.


Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by diegosydney:
Originally posted by Crysknife10:
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Right, the 49ers should make football decisions based on what would make the best fairy tale story lines for a particular player. People keep talking about being "flashy." Who said Kaepernick was given the starting job because he is more "flashy"? He was given the starting job because he is the better QB and the offense was more explosive under him. You need that on a team in case your defense and/or special teams don't play well, like what we saw in the playoffs. I really like Alex Smith and wish him the best, and although I think he may have gotten a raw deal in his first year with the Niners, I think the best thing that happened for his career is the arrival of Jim Harbaugh. The only reason he would have any interest on the market is because Harbaugh resurrected his career. But in the end, Jim Harbaugh has to do what is best for the TEAM, and not what is best to possibly make a feel good story for some emotional fans.

Alex was clutch in the redzone. Better chance of getting a TD in the last drive. I dissagree on Kaep being a better QB. I think they are very very close numbers wise, but Alex gets the edge on game management and smarts. I'm not just being emotional. You shouldn't lose your spot if you get hurt.

Ah THAT old chestnut.

It's the coach's job to play what he believes to be his best team.

So if Alex is clutch and has a better chance of scoring TDs, why did he go 15/24 for 140 yards with 0 TDs, 1 pick and take 9 sacks last time they played Baltimore.

there was a 76 yard td pass, negated by chilo rachal

Using that logic the 49ers actually did win the superbowl.

And even if he DID score a 76 yd TD pass the 49ers would still have lost, and the point would still stand, putting in Smith would NOT increase the chance of scoring, it would DECREASE the chance of scoring.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by WWFGD:
Really hoping we get some great trade value out of Smith to compensate for years of atrocious play.


But seriously...hopefully Revis
Originally posted by Furlow:
You Smith haters are the ones that need to get over it. Just because we don't blindly believe Kaepernick is Jesus in cleats, and that Harbaugh can do no wrong, does not mean that we are "resentful" or "hating on" Kaep. It also does not mean we think Smith "should be starting" or any of the other crap that you guys are saying. The bottom line is that every single time someone says something remotely critical of Kaepernick, the come back is "well Alex couldn't do this or that." As if that is some type of valid excuse for Kaepernick's mistakes or shortcomings.

Well I guess it will be hard for you to follow this team for years to come. There isn't a single person here who thinks Kaep is perfect. I've seen many fair criticisms about him. My problem is with the people who make silly claims like Alex could have done better or Kaep's playing style is why the D has been terrible or questioning if Alex will win the QB battle next year. That kind of crap is pathetic. You are free to critique Kaep but there's really not much to critique him on. He has started 10 games and has done some amazing things. The only time I hear negativity about him is on here by fans who are so caught up in their adulation for Smith they can't appreciate how great Kaep has been in the grand scheme of things.

Smith can win one way and unfortunately, we don't have the D or special teams to rely on that kind of play from our QB. Best of luck to him on his new team.
Originally posted by InHarbsWeTrust:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You Smith haters are the ones that need to get over it. Just because we don't blindly believe Kaepernick is Jesus in cleats, and that Harbaugh can do no wrong, does not mean that we are "resentful" or "hating on" Kaep. It also does not mean we think Smith "should be starting" or any of the other crap that you guys are saying. The bottom line is that every single time someone says something remotely critical of Kaepernick, the come back is "well Alex couldn't do this or that." As if that is some type of valid excuse for Kaepernick's mistakes or shortcomings.

Well I guess it will be hard for you to follow this team for years to come. There isn't a single person here who thinks Kaep is perfect. I've seen many fair criticisms about him. My problem is with the people who make silly claims like Alex could have done better or Kaep's playing style is why the D has been terrible or questioning if Alex will win the QB battle next year. That kind of crap is pathetic. You are free to critique Kaep but there's really not much to critique him on. He has started 10 games and has done some amazing things. The only time I hear negativity about him is on here by fans who are so caught up in their adulation for Smith they can't appreciate how great Kaep has been in the grand scheme of things.

Smith can win one way and unfortunately, we don't have the D or special teams to rely on that kind of play from our QB. Best of luck to him on his new team.

considering many are blaming the D it looks like neither can win without a strong performance from the D
Originally posted by jreff22:
considering many are blaming the D it looks like neither can win without a strong performance from the D