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Smith, Tolzien thread. Yet again

Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Tommyboy:
Mindi Bach ‏@MBachCSN On Alex Smith @Kaepernick7 wants him to get the best situation "He's done nothing but help me. I wish him nothing but the best".


Sounds like Kaep knows he's gone.

i think thats pretty obvious at this point


it has been pretty obvious in the past and he has stayed...mark purdy wrote a column today advocating the niners keep smith...as fan of smith i hope they dont do that
I still think we should trade Smith and a 4th for Revis. Then draft some young corners in the draft and develop them in 2013.

Add Revis to this defense (plus add rotation to our d-line) and this team is the most dominant team top to bottom next year.
Originally posted by HudsonValley:
I still think we should trade Smith and a 4th for Revis. Then draft some young corners in the draft and develop them in 2013.

Add Revis to this defense (plus add rotation to our d-line) and this team is the most dominant team top to bottom next year.

We have 14 picks. We are not going to trade for that type of contract. Would love to see Baalke work the trades on Draft Day.
they gonna play hardball with him
Originally posted by susweel:
they gonna play hardball with him

Yeah. They may request more than usual since we have more picks than we need.
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Based on what Harbaugh said in his press conference, it doesn't sound like they will just release Alex.

Hinted they might keep him on the roster...oh..some people are gonna hate that.

I'm guessing it is posturing so they can get more value in a trade.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by susweel:
they gonna play hardball with him

Yeah. They may request more than usual since we have more picks than we need.

Obviously, they won't get much for him since he sucks..why bother?
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Based on what Harbaugh said in his press conference, it doesn't sound like they will just release Alex.

Hinted they might keep him on the roster...oh..some people are gonna hate that.

I'm guessing it is posturing so they can get more value in a trade.

I hope they do keep him if they can reduce his salary. I've always believed Alex would be a great back up QB.
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think when we seemingly changed to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?
[ Edited by Caligula66 on Feb 5, 2013 at 2:21 PM ]
No. He can't run for 183 yards.
Originally posted by Caligula66:
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think with our seemingly change to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?

Kaep had one of the highest QBR of the playoffs.

The Defensive failure was what hurt us and I don't think Alex overcomes that much bad defense.
Originally posted by Caligula66:
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think with our seemingly change to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?
This is exactly how I feel about the whole thing. What irks me to no end is that people view it as a Kaep vs. Alex thing, when it isn't. I think Kaep is more than capable of playing the slower, more methodical, efficient style of offense. But Harbaugh won't let him do it. What the reason is, who knows.

I prefer the more controlled style of offense. Take chances when the opportunity presents itself, don't just force the issue constantly. You may lose some games by being "too conservative," but you enable your team to be competitive and in EVERY game. Over time, that efficiency and control increases, so by year 3, 4, 5 of a system like that - you have a well oiled machine. THAT is how the 49ers dynasty was built.

I preferred Smith for this style because of his skill set and experience. Kaepernick has shown that he has more than enough ability, but has also shown a lack of experience. It will take a lot more time for him to get as comfortable with it as Smith was, if Harbaugh ever even returns to this type of offensive mindset.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Caligula66:
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think with our seemingly change to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?

Kaep had one of the highest QBR of the playoffs.

The Defensive failure was what hurt us and I don't think Alex overcomes that much bad defense.

Did you even read what he wrote? He's saying that a more controlled style slows the game down and gives the defense more chance to rest. A controlled offense eats up clock, wins the field position battle, and gives the defense more room to work with. I don't think we would have been down 22 points with Smith behind center. But not simply because it's Smith, it's because our offensive style is so different when he is in. I'd just like to see us run the offense more like that with Kaep in there.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Caligula66:
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think with our seemingly change to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?
This is exactly how I feel about the whole thing. What irks me to no end is that people view it as a Kaep vs. Alex thing, when it isn't. I think Kaep is more than capable of playing the slower, more methodical, efficient style of offense. But Harbaugh won't let him do it. What the reason is, who knows.

I prefer the more controlled style of offense. Take chances when the opportunity presents itself, don't just force the issue constantly. You may lose some games by being "too conservative," but you enable your team to be competitive and in EVERY game. Over time, that efficiency and control increases, so by year 3, 4, 5 of a system like that - you have a well oiled machine. THAT is how the 49ers dynasty was built.

I preferred Smith for this style because of his skill set and experience. Kaepernick has shown that he has more than enough ability, but has also shown a lack of experience. It will take a lot more time for him to get as comfortable with it as Smith was, if Harbaugh ever even returns to this type of offensive mindset.

My thoughts as well. Every game is different and style of play also dictates flow of game. When we turned into the gunslinger type of offense, in turn, our defense went downhill.
Originally posted by Caligula66:
Let me preface this by saying, I am one of the biggest CK fans out there. With CK, our offense is more exciting, more dynamic. We can score quickly and sometimes almost effortlessly. Getting behind early isn't a problem because of this factor. We can easily catch up with big chunk of yards via Ck's big arm. Many question whether we would have made up those big deficits if Smith was still the qb. In my opinion,

I don't think we would have been behind that much leading to the second half in some games if Smith were behind center. The offense behind Smith is a more controlled short yardage offense that methodically moves down the field. The running game with Gore is established early and is complimented by short pass plays to convert 2nd or 3rd downs. Boring...yes, but effective. More time is consumed which keeps our defense on the sideline, therefore more rest for them.

I just think with our seemingly change to this quick score, almost all or nothing offense, is when our defense started to struggle. What say you?

No...no...no. We've had many 3 and out drives with Smith. It's not like Kaep was airing the ball out. He had 8 attempts in the 1st half. You forgot the fumble that was going to put up points. Kaep threw a pick, but again... but I don't think there would be that much of a difference with Smith. I look at the 1st half of the Seahawks, Giants, Vikings, Rams games and wonder what you're talking about. The D couldn't get off the field and there's really nothing Alex would have been able to about it.

The D's woes have nothing to do with Smith's style of play. It has to do with Justin Smith being injured. It's clear as day to see he is the heart of the D.
[ Edited by InHarbsWeTrust on Feb 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM ]