The Line: The matchups

you forgot Drops...if the receivers don't let the ball hit the ground...we can blow these cheese heads out

Schooled by Favre?

Sorry. Check that. Favre didn't school Rodgers for nothing. He didn't want no part of it, said it wasn't his job. Rodgers learned organically, through MM's QB school and through his own dedication.

It shows - he barely throws INT's, doesn't force the ball.

All the time, I forgot drops. As you know, it is a concentration thing...and blame ultimately falls on coaches, and HC is the man. Just exactly how you break a bunch of cases of the dropsies...I got no idea...but we are really snakebit with it.

Respectfulpacker, respectfully, what in the world wouldn't virtually any qb in the hx of NFL not give to watch and learn from one of the very best of all time. You're right,
Favre may not have done one whit to help out Rodgers. But getting to watch him in practice, in the game, watch him read "reads"...you really don't think Rodgers learned a SB worth of info from Favre, whether Favre helped him willingly or not.? Today, these young guys get drafted high, just want to start right away, some put up some awesome numbers, but you would have a hard time convincing me, watching favre all day for 4 yrs...that Favre would certainly rub off on most guys...unless they had no attn span. Agreed MM is an excellent coach, esp for QBs, and he was the one who truly schooled AR. But as for all the things that made Favre one of the greatest, there is no way better to learn it than from watching the master. Just think Cam Newton, Cincy, Cleveland, etc.

Funny thing is, for the first time in memory, we have two rooks playing like all pros, altho one is under the knife, and the other is done for the yr. And to your point, they didn't get schooled by anybody...in the pros...altho Shanahan is no slouch with QBs. I can't remember two such great qbs coming out together in a yr like this. They obviously had tremendous talent as well as great coaching prior to getting to the BIGS.

As noted in an adjacent thread, coaching is going to be key to this game. Fangio can win it with pressure. Question is will he call for it?. JH, hopefully NOT roman can win it with WCO, dinks and dunks, with the guy who has the cannon for an arm. Problem is, kap thinks 30 yds or 3 yds, same velocity. Touch, Colin, touch, boy. You cannot knock over receivers with your high hard one. You may not think you can do it, but you can.

Here's my big problem. If you have a guy with a hammer, everything he sees looks like a nail. If you got a guy with a cannon, he doesn't end up throwing dinks and dunks. He throws flame. And there is the conundrum. I truly believe JH sees kap as the flamethrower and just forgets about the 3 and 4 yarders on 1st and 2nd down. Why do that when you got the cannon with you? For me that is problematic, and I can almost guarantee, that is the mental process of roman....unfortunately. Kap, Coach, fangio, and players better be ready with the first aid wagon if they start out throwing rainbows that require 7, 9 step drops. 5 steps in this game is 3 too many. We can beat these jokers, but it won't be with the cannon. It will be with touch passes.

Yo, CK, are you out there? Later, if we get up on the pack, then if Coach wants to see the "drive for show", hey that's fine. But we aren't gonna get near to getting up on these guys unless JH and Kap are "putting for dough" . Quick slants and outs, 3-4 yds for two downs, maybe a scamper or a 24 dive. But throwing a bomb on these guys early on is inviting physical disaster for kap, and a loss for us. Again, if JH thinks kap, he is thinking , "Here comes the big one martha". And Coach would be dead wrong, and has been since kap took over. You gotta have a short game before you have a long game. And if someone thinks this sounds a bit like golf, well.....

"Last nite Vegas had 49ers by 3. I guess that is traditional homefield advantage +3 without thinking thru the MATCHUPS..."

A Las Vegas line was put forward "WITHOUT THINKING" about anything?

How funny that so many people think Las Vegas is operated by a bunch of yahoos and these people know so much more....

Actually ayetee, when going thru the matchups, the spread and the matchups ...don't match up. I think the line is way off, I think they are not factoring in the real Justin situation, and same goes for aldon, and how do you give a team 3 pts when one QB is a 5 game rook and the other learned under Favre, and has already won a SB? I'm not a bettor, but this line is screwed up....substantially.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Actually ayetee, when going thru the matchups, the spread and the matchups ...don't match up. I think the line is way off, I think they are not factoring in the real Justin situation, and same goes for aldon, and how do you give a team 3 pts when one QB is a 5 game rook and the other learned under Favre, and has already won a SB? I'm not a bettor, but this line is screwed up....substantially.

Vegas is trying to get cash for both side, the spread will go up tomorrow ...maybe -5 9ers

This is...wow...

The line means that the teams are pretty much even in the eyes of Vegas. Vegas has the BEST prognosticators in the business. I trust their line, I trust it'll be highly competitive and even if it was in GB the advantage would be nowhere close to 14 points.

Vegas set the line to bring in equal bets on both sides and adjust if the actual wager leans over to any one side. The Vegas line reflects the anticipated bettors' sentiments, but you better believe they "thought of everything". Those casinos weren't built by amateurs.

Niners -3 is MONEY!!!

49erallthetime, I have forgotten the exact machinations, but isn't the line set by how many bettors are on one side vs how many are on the other? And if they have a major injury a day or two before gametime as a surprise, all bets are off? And just to help me remember, the more lopsided the betting is, eg SF, the bigger the point spread, no? If that all is correct, (and again i'm not certain), then an injury of unknown proportions can greatly influence the game, but the line stays the same if the injury remains uncertain up to gametime. What I am trying to get to is Justin. If he can go, say at 90%(which is wishful thinking), but at gametime, he can't raise his rt arm, doesn't that really skew the line, not to mention the game's winner?

I know injury just prior to game can result in all bets being off. I am curious what happens in a case(God forbid) such as Justin.