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Week 17: Thoughts after rewatching the game...
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:17 AM
- VtownNinerFan
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Look forward to reading these every week, I disagree about Akers though, if the guy is injured and it seems like he is, we need to bring in someone else, he has already cost us 2 regular season games, we can't trust him in the playoffs.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:20 AM
- dj43
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Kaep is still learning. Still a ways to go. He left the pocket early on several occasions. On one of them he was able to complete a pass but on others he had to throw it away. He needs to get more confidence in the OL to give him protections, BUT, the OL needs to do a better job of holding the front of the pocket so he can step up. We don't know how often CK is actually changing the play but apparent audibles are not as productive as they will need to be in the playoffs. All part of the learning experience, I guess. I am still not convinced.
D really misses Justin Smith. Seattle and now AZ made most of the running yardage through the space Justin used to dominate. It was distressing to see how often Aldon Smith was pushed out of the hole by a TIGHT END. Where was all that FREAKISH strength we have been hearing about? Aldon looks very ordinary without Justin taking all the attention. Also, did anyone else notice how many times the TE or RB managed to cut him and send him head over heels? Shouldn't he be able to use his athleticism to jump over those cuts? From what we have heard about Justin's injury and how that kind of thing affects strength to push against an opponent, this area of the team does not appear to be playoff ready. Smith may be tough but without a portion of his triceps being able to push he will not be the same guy.
VD continues to be held in to block while CK looks down the field. Harbaugh has changed the offensive focus and Vernon's production suffers for it. That will have to change if the passing game is to succeed in the playoffs. Defenses will double Crabtree and without a dependable short option the team will get one-dimensional.
Not a lot to add comfort from this game. To see the offense struggle against AZ's defense is troubling. Yes, the defense may be the strength of the team but they are not that good. There may have been a lack of confidence spilling over from the Seahawk game but good teams don't react that way.
Agree with most of OP.
D really misses Justin Smith. Seattle and now AZ made most of the running yardage through the space Justin used to dominate. It was distressing to see how often Aldon Smith was pushed out of the hole by a TIGHT END. Where was all that FREAKISH strength we have been hearing about? Aldon looks very ordinary without Justin taking all the attention. Also, did anyone else notice how many times the TE or RB managed to cut him and send him head over heels? Shouldn't he be able to use his athleticism to jump over those cuts? From what we have heard about Justin's injury and how that kind of thing affects strength to push against an opponent, this area of the team does not appear to be playoff ready. Smith may be tough but without a portion of his triceps being able to push he will not be the same guy.
VD continues to be held in to block while CK looks down the field. Harbaugh has changed the offensive focus and Vernon's production suffers for it. That will have to change if the passing game is to succeed in the playoffs. Defenses will double Crabtree and without a dependable short option the team will get one-dimensional.
Not a lot to add comfort from this game. To see the offense struggle against AZ's defense is troubling. Yes, the defense may be the strength of the team but they are not that good. There may have been a lack of confidence spilling over from the Seahawk game but good teams don't react that way.
Agree with most of OP.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:22 AM
- billbird2111
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I don't think Harbaugh replaces Akers, but I think it's possible that Akers may blow a game for us.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM
- NinerTeam
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My week isn't complete without reading a Marvin review after a game.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:28 AM
- sincalfaithful
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Hopefully as we go into the playoffs we can work a 1-2 punch with Crabs and Vernon
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:28 AM
- pelos21
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Good read man! I'm proud of our guys for taking care of business on our end and getting that #2 seed. Only team that scares me are the SheCocks but we would have them at home so we should be good there.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM
- natrone06
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A couple points....
Vernons lack of production started three games prior to Ck being the starting qb.
Since Ck has become the starter he has the 2nd most completions over 25 yards of any qb in the lg.
Anyone else getting more and more excited about Lamichael James?
Vernons lack of production started three games prior to Ck being the starting qb.
Since Ck has become the starter he has the 2nd most completions over 25 yards of any qb in the lg.
Anyone else getting more and more excited about Lamichael James?
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM
- LasVegasWally
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Good post as usual.
Here's my input.
1). RJF played better and I feel he can really improve - ONLY if he can continue to get more playing time. You can't get better by not playing.
2). The war is won in the trenches and Aldon is not getting sacks because Justin isn't there to occupy blockers. Another reason to get a better DLine rotation.
3). Delaine had a solid game - not great but better than many he's had this season. I didn't notice - Did he have any drops yesterday?
4). Akers is a HUGE question mark and frankly, I don't really know how to address it. If these FA kickers were worth anything - they'd be playing for another team. Maybe hypnosis?
5). Ginn scares me. It seems, IMO, that he doesn't care, I don't feel any fire & passion from him. I hope he doesn't blow it in the playoffs.
6). Props to Kap on that 2nd TD pass to crabs - perfectly thrown.
7). Crabs is improving every week. It seems he is running with more power & strength.
8). Play calling was better as the game progressed. It will need to get a lot better for the playoffs.
9). HUGE props to the Niner Fans who gave Alex a standing ovation. That was real Class!
Thanks again Marv!
Here's my input.
1). RJF played better and I feel he can really improve - ONLY if he can continue to get more playing time. You can't get better by not playing.
2). The war is won in the trenches and Aldon is not getting sacks because Justin isn't there to occupy blockers. Another reason to get a better DLine rotation.
3). Delaine had a solid game - not great but better than many he's had this season. I didn't notice - Did he have any drops yesterday?
4). Akers is a HUGE question mark and frankly, I don't really know how to address it. If these FA kickers were worth anything - they'd be playing for another team. Maybe hypnosis?
5). Ginn scares me. It seems, IMO, that he doesn't care, I don't feel any fire & passion from him. I hope he doesn't blow it in the playoffs.
6). Props to Kap on that 2nd TD pass to crabs - perfectly thrown.
7). Crabs is improving every week. It seems he is running with more power & strength.
8). Play calling was better as the game progressed. It will need to get a lot better for the playoffs.
9). HUGE props to the Niner Fans who gave Alex a standing ovation. That was real Class!
Thanks again Marv!
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:33 AM
- natrone06
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Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
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3). Delaine had a solid game - not great but better than many he's had this season. I didn't notice - Did he have any drops yesterday?
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:33 AM
- Jakemall
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Couple of thoughts:
I pretty much agree with your comments on QB.
Gore doesn't always drop in production..see years 2010 and 2007? I didn't go further back than that.
Re: Vernon, his hands have always been suspect...possible that the way Alex drops it in there is softer on the hands than Colin? Makes catching the ball a lot easier. Re Crabs: I think Colin is willing to take a bit more risk on throwing to Crabs and because of that Crabs plays a little harder for Colin.
I pretty much agree with your comments on QB.
Gore doesn't always drop in production..see years 2010 and 2007? I didn't go further back than that.
Re: Vernon, his hands have always been suspect...possible that the way Alex drops it in there is softer on the hands than Colin? Makes catching the ball a lot easier. Re Crabs: I think Colin is willing to take a bit more risk on throwing to Crabs and because of that Crabs plays a little harder for Colin.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:35 AM
- Marvin49
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Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
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3). Delaine had a solid game - not great but better than many he's had this season. I didn't notice - Did he have any drops yesterday?
LOL. My thought exactly. Uh...yeah...a BIG one on a perfect throw in the endzone.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:36 AM
- bzborow1
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Originally posted by dj43:
Kaep is still learning. Still a ways to go. He left the pocket early on several occasions. On one of them he was able to complete a pass but on others he had to throw it away. He needs to get more confidence in the OL to give him protections, BUT, the OL needs to do a better job of holding the front of the pocket so he can step up. We don't know how often CK is actually changing the play but apparent audibles are not as productive as they will need to be in the playoffs. All part of the learning experience, I guess. I am still not convinced.
D really misses Justin Smith. Seattle and now AZ made most of the running yardage through the space Justin used to dominate. It was distressing to see how often Aldon Smith was pushed out of the hole by a TIGHT END. Where was all that FREAKISH strength we have been hearing about? Aldon looks very ordinary without Justin taking all the attention. Also, did anyone else notice how many times the TE or RB managed to cut him and send him head over heels? Shouldn't he be able to use his athleticism to jump over those cuts? From what we have heard about Justin's injury and how that kind of thing affects strength to push against an opponent, this area of the team does not appear to be playoff ready. Smith may be tough but without a portion of his triceps being able to push he will not be the same guy.
VD continues to be held in to block while CK looks down the field. Harbaugh has changed the offensive focus and Vernon's production suffers for it. That will have to change if the passing game is to succeed in the playoffs. Defenses will double Crabtree and without a dependable short option the team will get one-dimensional.
Not a lot to add comfort from this game. To see the offense struggle against AZ's defense is troubling. Yes, the defense may be the strength of the team but they are not that good. There may have been a lack of confidence spilling over from the Seahawk game but good teams don't react that way.
Agree with most of OP.
Agreed, and there are two areas that appear will kill us in the playoffs. The first is the fact Aldon Smith has gone from defensive player of the year candidate to an ordinary Joe when he hasn't been able to hide behind Justin Smith. The Seahawks did it, the Cardinals as well, so you know what's coming in the playoffs and the 49ers need Aldon Smith to wake up. Perhaps he is getting fatigued in his first full year? He also seems to be completely missing that exceptional burst he played with earlier in the year. The second area of concern is who is going to make up for Crabtree in the playoffs? The Giants and Seahawks wrote the script so we know what's coming there as well. Teams will double Crabtree and force the Niners to win with somebody else. What's even more troublesome for the offense going forward is that the o-line can't pass protect, forcing Vernon to stay in a LOT more than he should be to block.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 31, 2012 at 11:41 AM ]
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM
- bigwads
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Don't forget Kap has only had 7 games basically and a number of rushing td's.
Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM
- oldninerdude
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Well, Marvin, its an interesting read, but I'm a little disappointed this week.
Your discussion of Kaepernik is really just a comparision of him and Alex and not really an analysis of Kaep's performance in the game against Ariz. That comparison is interesting, but has to go under the category of "old news" or "moot point." Kaep is the QB now. Why bring up the comparison? Its not relevant anymore, except for those posters who were angry about the change and haven't been able to get over it. Time to move on. Its a new day, and new era, with a new QB.
With that said, I have to say how impressed I was with some of the throws Kaep made. That TD throw to Crabs in the flat, with Peterson all over him, was a great throw, and I'm not sure there are other QBs who could have thrown it as well. Same goes for the first TD throw to Crabs. Kaep was running left and made a perfect, on the money throw to Crabs for the TD. If Walker had some hands, we'd have three great TD throws to be talking about today.
On the other hand, Kaep's throw to Moss in the endzone was not good. Too far inside and easy for Peterson to break up. If Kaep would have put it high and outside, or to Moss's back shoulder, it would have been a TD. That throw was a mistake, and not the first one Kaep has made with Moss in the endzone. This needs work, and is a little surprising, given all we've heard about how great Moss has been communicating with his teammates and using his experience, etc.
Still, Kaep and Crabs have it going on, and pose a huge threat to opposing defenses. Moss and Walker contribute to the passing attack as well, but we need to see more production out of VD and Jenkins. I'd like to see what LMJ could contribute to the passing attack as well. He's got great speed in the open field--get him the ball!
And if Ginn wants to stay around, he needs to do something as a WR. His performance on ST against Arizona was pathetic--that first punt, after the D played really well, put the offense back against their own endzone and put huge pressure on the Niners--all cause Ginn was scared to catch the punt? Or badly misread it and equally badly misplayed it.
Akers--Harbaugh's got a problem here. Does he replace Akers in these next two weeks, or stick with him and hope he can address the problem? Is there anybody out there who would be better? Is there anybody out there who could help Akers regain his form from last season?
Really Akers' performance is the difference between last year and this year--specifically those two St. Louis games which he could have, and should have won. I'm hoping he can fix whatever is bothering him--when he's on, he's as good as anyone.
And to whatever fan treatened him on twitter--great move (not) to put even more pressure on a guy who's struggling with the pressure.
(Really, whoever did that shows that whatever he lacks in intelligence as a fan, he makes up for with stupidity!)
Your discussion of Kaepernik is really just a comparision of him and Alex and not really an analysis of Kaep's performance in the game against Ariz. That comparison is interesting, but has to go under the category of "old news" or "moot point." Kaep is the QB now. Why bring up the comparison? Its not relevant anymore, except for those posters who were angry about the change and haven't been able to get over it. Time to move on. Its a new day, and new era, with a new QB.
With that said, I have to say how impressed I was with some of the throws Kaep made. That TD throw to Crabs in the flat, with Peterson all over him, was a great throw, and I'm not sure there are other QBs who could have thrown it as well. Same goes for the first TD throw to Crabs. Kaep was running left and made a perfect, on the money throw to Crabs for the TD. If Walker had some hands, we'd have three great TD throws to be talking about today.
On the other hand, Kaep's throw to Moss in the endzone was not good. Too far inside and easy for Peterson to break up. If Kaep would have put it high and outside, or to Moss's back shoulder, it would have been a TD. That throw was a mistake, and not the first one Kaep has made with Moss in the endzone. This needs work, and is a little surprising, given all we've heard about how great Moss has been communicating with his teammates and using his experience, etc.
Still, Kaep and Crabs have it going on, and pose a huge threat to opposing defenses. Moss and Walker contribute to the passing attack as well, but we need to see more production out of VD and Jenkins. I'd like to see what LMJ could contribute to the passing attack as well. He's got great speed in the open field--get him the ball!
And if Ginn wants to stay around, he needs to do something as a WR. His performance on ST against Arizona was pathetic--that first punt, after the D played really well, put the offense back against their own endzone and put huge pressure on the Niners--all cause Ginn was scared to catch the punt? Or badly misread it and equally badly misplayed it.
Akers--Harbaugh's got a problem here. Does he replace Akers in these next two weeks, or stick with him and hope he can address the problem? Is there anybody out there who would be better? Is there anybody out there who could help Akers regain his form from last season?
Really Akers' performance is the difference between last year and this year--specifically those two St. Louis games which he could have, and should have won. I'm hoping he can fix whatever is bothering him--when he's on, he's as good as anyone.
And to whatever fan treatened him on twitter--great move (not) to put even more pressure on a guy who's struggling with the pressure.
(Really, whoever did that shows that whatever he lacks in intelligence as a fan, he makes up for with stupidity!)