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Week 16: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by 49er:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Oh and I hate this stupid ass story by Earl Thomas about how Harbaugh honked and waved at their team on the bus after we beat them the first game. Harbaugh said in his press conference this didn't happen and said that he can't even recall ever leaving at the same time as the other team. I hate how different people are attempting to destroy the image of different players and coaches on our team with these stories with no evidence backing them. Like when stupid ass kevin gilbride says that justin smith gets away with murder for holding linemen every play. That's so much b******t, that's why he never gets called for it huh gilbride. Because that s**t doesn't happen.

To be fair, it does happen sometimes on stunts and its been shown on replays.
But getting away with "murder"? Hardly. Because it doesn't happen as often as Kevin Gilbride made it seem like it does. Seahawks got away with "murder" last night, make no mistake about it!

I know the Niners are supposed to send over a tape of questionable calls to officials (something to that effect)... Hopefully they can fit the entire game on a DVD for them.
Maybe it happens occasionally but he's getting held practically every play himself. Also, I don't recall him getting called for defensive holding ever, so it must be a very rare occurrence.
IMO, now all the pressure is on Seattle when the playoffs start and that blows, we will creep into the playoffs and that's the way most champs make their way into the championship game.
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
a fight is going to break out on field next time we play seattle.

Yes and the next time the fight will be won by the 49ers on the scoreboard. We will impose our will on them next time and will kick their ass and get sweet revenge. Believe dat.
Was waiting for this post so I could add my own thoughts:


The defense was definitely gassed, you could see it in Aldon chasing Russell - he just didn't have the energy on a lot of those plays. It was not helped by the loss of Cowboy, but beyond that we have some real issues in terms of depth and strategy. We don't seem to blitz nearly enough, we've got great man coverage but we don't keep the opponent honest enough by committing more to the blitz. We stayed with 3-4 and let Wilson scramble around with minimal pressure on most downs and he's more than good enough to scramble or find the open receiver.
Leaving the same guys on the pitch for the full season is really having an impact, especially with back to back road games like we've just played - particularly after the NE game where the defense was on the field for so long, they were tired at the end of that game and flat/tired at the start of this. Not sure what practice was like mid week, I would have hoped it was light though to let them recharge. Either way we need to address this for the play offs, not only does it tire the regular starters but it means guys coming in to replace injuries are not at match pace or even fitness.



On the offense side, there are two things that stick out to me - play calling by Roman is far too up and down and more importantly our O-line is not up to the standard needed. This latter is really becoming apparent, how many times have we seen the QB (Kaep or Alex) sacked from someone coming in completely untouched from the D-Line - it's embarrassing and should not happen. It's unacceptable to have def pass rushers not being picked up by anyone and getting a free hit.

I think the pass blocking is terribly shocking. The amount of times Goodwin, Davis and Staley seem to give up on their blocks after a second or 2 (or get beat fast) is again unacceptable, it's contributing to the sack count against us and massively hurting the O. Look at the time that Brady, Big Ben and Rodgers are given in the pocket to find a pass and extend the play - something that just doesn't happen for us at all. This is why Alex and Kaep are getting sacked or flushed so many times, particularly when we get blitzed which is exacerbated by Roman's utter lack of screen plays.

Beyond this, Roman doesn't seem to know what he is planning for - we're either a run away success or a dead failure, we're not consistent at all and that tells me we're not planning properly and when we do excel it's because we've good match ups and playing to our strength. It's becoming clear that we struggle in any match up that's even or slightly against us, and we go out with nothing when we've a bad match up. It all suggest an inability to plan for the team we are playing - if we were consistently scoring 20+ even in bad games I would take that as a sign we know what we need to do, however the losses to the Giants, the Seahawks and Minnesota suggest to me that if someone has our number there's nothing we can do.

I can't see us winning the Superbowl this year unfortunately, but in the off-season we need to really improve our O line, depth on D (including a ballhawk) and get a new OC.
[ Edited by Buchy on Dec 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM ]
Hey Marvin great job again.

#4--- you said that you hope we draft Cowboys replacemnt and hope people dont get mad if he dont play much. I dont think people would get mad at his replacment not playing cause he is a probowl player and his replacment would more than likely be active on gameday for rotational purposes. People are mad at our 1rst round selection this year cause of the non-probowl players he cant beat out to get activated for gameday.

Not criticizing just pointing out where some of us are coming from....
[ Edited by TexasGuero49 on Dec 24, 2012 at 1:01 PM ]
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We were humiliated. Week 16 is not the time for CK to be having "learning experiences" when we want to make a Super Bowl run. This change should never have been made until next year. There's not a snowballs chance in Hades that we make it through back to back ferocious playoff crowds in Green Bay and Atlanta with Kaepernick at the helm. I just don't see it.

I know, it's all opinion, but that is my gut feeling. I love my team to death and it frustrates me like no other to have to sit here and feel like we made a mistake that is going to cost us at the very least a deep run into the post-season.

I would understand this feeling if Kaep were replacing Joe Montana, but it's not like Alex is a pro bowl QB with a wealth of playoff experience. He was having a good year, but let's be real. If he can get 3 freakin points in the last 5 drives this team might already have 6 titles. The worst rating Kaep has had while learning is 72...which isn't all that far below Alex's CAREER rating. Alex also had a meltdown against the Giants and he's NEVER thrown 4 TDs in a game...let alone on the road in NE. Alex started this season 4-2. Kaep through 6 games? 4-2. Let's stop pretending that the "problem" here is Kaep.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
We were humiliated. Week 16 is not the time for CK to be having "learning experiences" when we want to make a Super Bowl run. This change should never have been made until next year. There's not a snowballs chance in Hades that we make it through back to back ferocious playoff crowds in Green Bay and Atlanta with Kaepernick at the helm. I just don't see it.

I know, it's all opinion, but that is my gut feeling. I love my team to death and it frustrates me like no other to have to sit here and feel like we made a mistake that is going to cost us at the very least a deep run into the post-season.

I would understand this feeling if Kaep were replacing Joe Montana, but it's not like Alex is a pro bowl QB with a wealth of playoff experience. He was having a good year, but let's be real. If he can get 3 freakin points in the last 5 drives this team might already have 6 titles. The worst rating Kaep has had while learning is 72...which isn't all that far below Alex's CAREER rating. Alex also had a meltdown against the Giants and he's NEVER thrown 4 TDs in a game...let alone on the road in NE. Alex started this season 4-2. Kaep through 6 games? 4-2. Let's stop pretending that the "problem" here is Kaep.

Agree with you there. The only thing I will say is that most teams are settled in by the midway point and begin making playoff pushes. The niners had to do it twice by settling in with smith and then with Kaep. I just hope the team gels at the right time and wins this damn thing. It only gets harder since the Seahawks are much younger.
Originally posted by Born49R:
Marv, great comments as always. I am surpised however that you didn't think the loss of Justin Smith wasn't going to have this effect. Since Lynch has run well against the team in the past I figured he was going to well exceed 100yds with Cowboy out and Wilson at QB. I wasn't surprised at all by the loss or by the butt kicking we got up there.
Especially when you consider our defense played a game and a half against NE. Add in the poor blocking on the field goal that resulted in a td and it got ugly early.
Only a little surprised with Kaep, but I also thought he would struggle against that D and the noise. First time he had that look in his eye that he was overmatched.
I'm fairly sure Alex playing wouldn't have made a lot of difference although he wouldn't have been as rattled and maybe the game would have been closer. We will never know.
I didn't feel good about the change but Kaep has played well enough up to now to warrent it.
Anybody who thought Seattle wasn't this good hasn't been watching their games lately ie. going into Chicago and beating the Bears and putting up 50 points in back to back games even though they were against weak teams.
The injuries have me really concerned as well.
Keeping my fingers crossed for the post season.

I stated it badly. I meant that I thought it was overblown as the reason the Pats went scoring crazy. I was very concerned with it in Seattle.
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
I would understand this feeling if Kaep were replacing Joe Montana, but it's not like Alex is a pro bowl QB with a wealth of playoff experience. He was having a good year, but let's be real. If he can get 3 freakin points in the last 5 drives this team might already have 6 titles. The worst rating Kaep has had while learning is 72...which isn't all that far below Alex's CAREER rating. Alex also had a meltdown against the Giants and he's NEVER thrown 4 TDs in a game...let alone on the road in NE. Alex started this season 4-2. Kaep through 6 games? 4-2. Let's stop pretending that the "problem" here is Kaep.

One minor thing about Kaep's rating. The St Lous loss was entirely his fault (defense only gave up a FG and 2 point conversion in regulation), yet he had a great rating because a safety and pitching a ball over a receiver's head don't count against his rating. I do agree, though, that Smith wasn't going to score 42+ against Seattle either. He probably wouldn't have audibled with 3 seconds left in a noisy dome, though.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Born49R:
Marv, great comments as always. I am surpised however that you didn't think the loss of Justin Smith wasn't going to have this effect. Since Lynch has run well against the team in the past I figured he was going to well exceed 100yds with Cowboy out and Wilson at QB. I wasn't surprised at all by the loss or by the butt kicking we got up there.
Especially when you consider our defense played a game and a half against NE. Add in the poor blocking on the field goal that resulted in a td and it got ugly early.
Only a little surprised with Kaep, but I also thought he would struggle against that D and the noise. First time he had that look in his eye that he was overmatched.
I'm fairly sure Alex playing wouldn't have made a lot of difference although he wouldn't have been as rattled and maybe the game would have been closer. We will never know.
I didn't feel good about the change but Kaep has played well enough up to now to warrent it.
Anybody who thought Seattle wasn't this good hasn't been watching their games lately ie. going into Chicago and beating the Bears and putting up 50 points in back to back games even though they were against weak teams.
The injuries have me really concerned as well.
Keeping my fingers crossed for the post season.

I stated it badly. I meant that I thought it was overblown as the reason the Pats went scoring crazy. I was very concerned with it in Seattle.


I think the next time we play a team with a mobile QB our OLB's need the Rocky training...Our pass rushers looked like this against the Seahawks.

http://movieclips.com/WsSX6-rocky-2-movie-kentucky-fried-idiot/
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM ]
Originally posted by fryet:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I would understand this feeling if Kaep were replacing Joe Montana, but it's not like Alex is a pro bowl QB with a wealth of playoff experience. He was having a good year, but let's be real. If he can get 3 freakin points in the last 5 drives this team might already have 6 titles. The worst rating Kaep has had while learning is 72...which isn't all that far below Alex's CAREER rating. Alex also had a meltdown against the Giants and he's NEVER thrown 4 TDs in a game...let alone on the road in NE. Alex started this season 4-2. Kaep through 6 games? 4-2. Let's stop pretending that the "problem" here is Kaep.

One minor thing about Kaep's rating. The St Lous loss was entirely his fault (defense only gave up a FG and 2 point conversion in regulation), yet he had a great rating because a safety and pitching a ball over a receiver's head don't count against his rating. I do agree, though, that Smith wasn't going to score 42+ against Seattle either. He probably wouldn't have audibled with 3 seconds left in a noisy dome, though.


I think the only real advantage Smith would've given is the ability to get to the line quicker and to audible out of plays more efficiently. As for completing passes, I don't think so because the Seahawks were all over our WR's and Smith has proven he can't throw into tight windows.
Originally posted by SFrush:
Couldn't agree more on four. Hopefully Baalke finds us a good five technique in April.

I wouldn't mind seeing them grab an NT, a 3-4 DE and a CB, all those positions need either depth or an upgrade. If they could get a monster NT like Jenkins to flat-out be the starter from the get-go, I'd like that, this team has not been able to consistently get enough push up the middle and they need that big beastly body to collapse the pocket....etc
Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
Hey Marvin great job again.

#4--- you said that you hope we draft Cowboys replacemnt and hope people dont get mad if he dont play much. I dont think people would get mad at his replacment not playing cause he is a probowl player and his replacment would more than likely be active on gameday for rotational purposes. People are mad at our 1rst round selection this year cause of the non-probowl players he cant beat out to get activated for gameday.

Not criticizing just pointing out where some of us are coming from....


This. There's no shame in having a talented rookie that can't beat out a Pro-Bowler but when you have a rookie that is inactive in Week 15, even though you have injuries and need for better performance from that position....there's no way to excuse that.

Also, people should keep in mind that Justin Smith was simply a 4-3 defensive end when he got drafted, undersized relative to what he weighs today but he always had a quick first step, a non-stop motor and his 40 time was about a 4.6. So he was super athletic for a rather big guy, never quit on plays and played extremely physical, able to rush the QB and stop the run. It's going to be tough to find someone like that and it very well might not be the obvious or likely 3-4 stud DE everyone is thinking about, it might be an undersized guy that needs a few years to get his weight up and develop........
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
Hey Marvin great job again.

#4--- you said that you hope we draft Cowboys replacemnt and hope people dont get mad if he dont play much. I dont think people would get mad at his replacment not playing cause he is a probowl player and his replacment would more than likely be active on gameday for rotational purposes. People are mad at our 1rst round selection this year cause of the non-probowl players he cant beat out to get activated for gameday.

Not criticizing just pointing out where some of us are coming from....


This. There's no shame in having a talented rookie that can't beat out a Pro-Bowler but when you have a rookie that is inactive in Week 15, even though you have injuries and need for better performance from that position....there's no way to excuse that.

Also, people should keep in mind that Justin Smith was simply a 4-3 defensive end when he got drafted, undersized relative to what he weighs today but he always had a quick first step, a non-stop motor and his 40 time was about a 4.6. So he was super athletic for a rather big guy, never quit on plays and played extremely physical, able to rush the QB and stop the run. It's going to be tough to find someone like that and it very well might not be the obvious or likely 3-4 stud DE everyone is thinking about, it might be an undersized guy that needs a few years to get his weight up and develop........

Correct. He was also I think a top 5 or top 10 pick.

As for your first point, all I'm saying as that the team needs to draft for needs it will have in a few years, not right away. The Hawks are a young bunch so they aren't going away any time soon. If the Niners want to be contenders long term, they need to find replacements for players that are getting long in the tooth.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Correct. He was also I think a top 5 or top 10 pick.

As for your first point, all I'm saying as that the team needs to draft for needs it will have in a few years, not right away. The Hawks are a young bunch so they aren't going away any time soon. If the Niners want to be contenders long term, they need to find replacements for players that are getting long in the tooth.

Well absolutely, but based on what they've gotten from Jenkins, had they gone with a guy like Derek Wolfe instead, who's similar to Justin Smith in several ways, was chosen a few picks afterwards and has started the whole season for Denver, they'd likely be far better off right now, being able to sub in at DE regularly and keep guys fresh.