Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Well I have to say that I too like Marv's analysis, just differ when it comes to the smith debate.
Yes for starters, Kaep is our starter and we have to ride or die with him and i support coach if that's who he wants behind center. Always will support the HC whether i believe his decision making is best or not. Some say that because he took a chance on Smith, that we have to give Kaep a chance. I think this is true, it just sucks that it had to come at the expense of this years season.
Kaep does have it, and the intangibles somewhat. I do believe he will be something, but honestly wont commit to either side, because im still on the fence with him. Speaking strictly in regards to him, i just hate the move because, IT DIDNT HAVE TO BE MADE, IMHO.
I live somewhat by the adage that if it aint broke dont fix it. And thats what happened with us. Smith was replaced, because of the potential that kaep has in all phases of the game. So it came down to, do u go with the guy that has shown he can get it done, and was a few fumbles away from the SB, or go with an unproven guy that has tremendous upside, with the willingness to be able to say that working through the ups downs, wins and losses, will prepare him for the playoffs.
With Seattle, even u Marv, fell into the whole of trying to convey what Smith wouldnt of been able to do in that enviornment, when in all actuality, there is almost one thing he would of done, and i honestly feel, beat Seattle. Under harbs with Smith at center he's helped lead them to 3-0 vs Seattle. in the past 2 seasons, correct. One win in Seattle, and I think 2 at home. And thats actual proof not conjecture.
We equally are "hoping that Kaep can learn on the job, hoping that he'll redeem himself this week, better prepared for it down the road hopefully. But you see the key word there... Hoping and hopefully. Regardless of what we think we may have gotten in Smith, the point is we got 6-2 with him at the helm, before the new move was made, and now dealing with the idea of hope in a situation, where we shouldnt have to be, this late in the season.
Heath Evens on NFL network hates the move and has all season. But it was funny last night, when he said yeah, whats gonna happen when we dont make it far with kaep. The vets that want and have to win now because their future is uncertain, will now have almost wasted a season, becasue of what coach thought was the best decision. And as i said, even coach is human and can run the race with the hare, but we all know the tortoise wins in the end.
Harbs pulled a hare move, and i just feel that it may hurt us. But to let that deter my love for my team, or alter me following them, hell no. If i can make it through Rattay and Rashaun times, i can def stick with them through anything.
I will never understand the thought process that Smith would have one in Seattle. I just don't get it. It makes no sense to me. He put 13 points on the board and struggled BADLY when they played in SF. Alot of that had to do with the Seattle DBs mugging the Niner receivers, but the same thing happened in Seattle. My thought process on the game in Seattle had never been that "Alex sucks so he couldn't win in Seattle either". It has been "Alex doesn't play special teams or defense and Seattle put 42 points on the board". The 49ers have scored 13 points twice against the Seahawks. In both games the Niners starting QB threw an INT in the end zone. What's the difference? In the second matchup, the other team blocked a FG and scored a TD, injured a starting WR who promptly fumbled the ball on a drive that was moving, and freakin scored AT WILL on the best D in the NFL.
I simply don't get the argument that Smith could have overcome all that. To watch that game in those circstances and come away thinking "yeah, the QB was the problem" is simply ludicrous. He was down 14-0 before he blinked.
Look, there are alot of peeps here who aren't in favor of the move to Kaep. That's all good, but the insistence on putting games where the D never gets off the bus on the QB is just nuts.
I love the healthy debates Marv, and your opinion is well accepted, but what doesnt make sense to me is that you cant see that regardless of how the game is won, which Qb was behind center and helped in the win. Whether we won by 1pt or 10. When we lost vs. the rams, did it matter if we lost by a few points or more. If we would of won that game instead of the tie, would we have worried about the latter. No.
Defense wins championships, but if you cant do ur own offensive part and score then defense dont mean crap. Did u remember where Crabs said we have to match the intensity of the Defense with scoring. Did they match that in Seattle, nah.
What wrong with thinking that some of the weaknesses Kaep had in this last game, that Smith had mastered. Or even a step further at the very least better equipped.
But at the end of the day let me ask you this. We can agree that at the end of the day whether it was special teams, the defense, Gore, or the QB. That at the end of the day it's the W that matters. NOt the semantics of the win.
This season the special teams, defense are helping Kaep win just like they did with Smith. And if anything helping Kaep more by scoring more points in the games since he's been under center.
And the conjecture about the D not getting off the bus, you see what i mean. I was talking about Kaep never getting on. And it shouldnt be that far fetched to think Smith would of won. We base it off of wins, and losses, and Smith has won against them, so not so idiotic to think he would of had a good game or at the least again, pulled of the slim victory.
So in this case we can def agree to disagree. i love debating, and in this case we see each others point of view, and thats all i can ask for.