Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
It all comes down to opinion. My opinion is mine, yours is yours, Harbaugh's is Harbaugh's. I feel we made a mistake and there are a plethora of valid reasons to believe so. No one is saying CK is the only problem here, or that we don't have any other issues. The message trying to be conveyed is that there are a lot of questions surrounding his readiness for playoff football. What's been happening on offense seemingly every other game is why these concerns are not subsiding.
One of the biggest reasons I like Alex is because at this point he is much more equipped to adjust a terrible play call into something half-decent. That's not to say he's God on the field and makes the perfect call every time, but we can see the difference. How many times did CK check into a run on Sunday? Didn't Gore have only like 6 carries? There was also the running into a brick wall of 10 RUN-BLITZING defenders that had everybody going, "WTF?" when CK had one-on-one coverage outside. You HAVE to be able to read that.
I love CK, I really do. Great person, tremendous talent. But I don't want our QB "crash-coursing" into the playoffs. That's a TERRIBLE idea. Jim Harbaugh isn't going to be right 100% of the time, and I won't either, but I disagree with him here for good reason. If CK doesn't play well enough in the playoffs, everyone's going to be stuck thinking would could have been. I hope I'm wrong -- we all hope that, really. I want a Super Bowl, not that horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that things could've been different if this change hadn't been made.
Of course it's all opinion. Thats the whole point of the forum.
I disgree with the adjustment thing tho. Kaep has had his issues...there is no question...but while Alex may get them into a better play a bit more of the time, Kaep is more apt to make something of any play called. If a play breaks down, Alex will almost always throw it away or take the sack. Remember tho, I've been an Alex supporter on these forums since the day he was drafted. I don't hate the guy and think he's gotten a bad wrap 90% of the time he's been playing. Having said that tho, I am firmly behind this decision to start Kaep.
We can say all we want about the QB "crash-coursing" in the playoffs or him getting learning experiences this close to the playoffs, but the reality is much more simple than that. Harbaugh is clearly convinced that Kaep gives them a better chance in those games that matter. It's really that simple. It is of course a matter of opinion and everyone has the right to disagree, but I think he made a balsy move away from the "safe" choice that he likely thinks leads him back where the season ended last year.
The way the Niners were constituted doesn't lend itself to long term success. The margin of error was just SOOOOOO small that it wasn't something that can be counted on. They needed a more dynamic offense that can score from anywhere at anytime. THAT is what Kaep gives them. Alex is a perfectly fine QB and he's gonna play hard and do his job, but when they play the big boys in January, I'm convinced that Harbaugh realized that the D and special teams wasn't enough to get it done.
Is it possible that Kaep will lose a game in the playoffs? Of course! Can he make the mistake that kills their season? YES!?! Is he better off with a QB that won't lose the the game but won't win it for you either? THAT is the debate. Win or Lose, I applaud Harbaugh for having the balls to make the BOLD choice and "go for it".
I don't think that makes much sense. A run play is a run play. Not much CK can do to single-handedly change the outcome once the play is happening. For pass plays, sure he can run around better and get to the sideline quicker. He's great at rolling left. Teams, however, have already studied his "spin out" move to roll left though, and he got caught against Seattle trying it and got dropped for a huge sack. Another learning experience for him. So while he can do that better, I don't think that means he can make pre-snap adjustments any better. CK is really struggling with play action right now. His fakes are not even fakes, he's not selling them at all. I think it's a wash when you add in the positives and negatives for both players in these areas.
I look at it this way: High risk - high reward vs. Low risk - high reward. Logic tells you to take the second, "safer" choice as you say. It being "bold" means it's a big risk compared to the alternative. I for one am not convinced at all that Harbaugh is 100% confident in CK, no matter how much he may support him right now, but I don't think enough has happened to make him go back on his decision. I don't think CK has done any better at overcoming his own and his teammates mistakes to win games right now. Overall.. I am absolutely not thrilled with the idea of "HOPING" it works out.
I'm venting because I know that nothing will change, barring injury, or a catastrophic performance by CK Sunday (even then, maybe not). But I stand firm in my opinion on this. I acknowledge that those on the other side have their valid reasons for taking that stance, but ask that they see and acknowledge that there are plenty legitimate reasons for taking the opinion I have as well.
It's your opinion, so I applaud that you stick by it.
I of course stand by my own. Of course when I said that Kaep could make more of the play, I wasn't talking about run plays. With pass plays, it's not just his run ability. Its about the ability to make bigger throws and the WILLINGNESS to make those throws. THATS what I mean by making more of the plays.
IS CK going to make mistakes and is it possible that Alex would get them into a better play at the line? Of course. As I said to another poster above though, that's a LEARNED behavior. That is something CK will learn to do. Alex will never learn to throw that 60 MPH ball down the middle to Crabtree for a TD against the Pats. Won't ever happen.
THAT is why I want him in there. NOW.
I also disagree with your high risk-high reward, etc. issue. People have been quoting that all along. What's the big risk? He has 3 picks in 6 starts. Alex had 5 in 8 starts. Kaep had some issues with the snap, but that was MUCH better in Seattle. I keep hearing about this huge downside to Kaep, but I haven't seen it manifested. I did see Alex totally melt down tho against the Giants. I have seen him fearful of taking anything resembling a chance after getting picked off. I have seen the Niners go total turtle mode against Seattle after he threw the pick in the endzone.
Alex is TOO afraid to make the mistake. Kaep has a short memory. I like Alex, but I think Kaep is the guy we need in there. He won't be intimidated.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Dec 25, 2012 at 23:24:26 ]