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Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I wanted to respond with a resounding no, but there is a kernel of truth to this. I want state up front, that no they do not deliberately hold back plays or players for that matter for use specifically in " big games". That being said, what I do see is a coach who is more than willing to take the foot off the gas and take less risks with teams he feels he can beat playing it safe. For better or worse Jim will intentionally beat a team 10-7 if he feels thats the "safe" option. As a result you see a lot less flash in games where we dont fear an offense scoring along with us. It results in keeps some games close late into games, that could have been put away earlier, and having faith in the D to make the smaller lead hold up. Then you get games like Chicago where its precieved as stiffer competition and you get a more agressive game plan.

I know this is all conjecture but the evidence of the last two years seems to hold up. The play calling gets more agressive when our backs are against the wall or the oppenent is deemed a threat.

I think your pretty spot on I am worried about the pats lets hope are defensive scheme is spot on. I do not think the pats defence is as good as there record shows. Lets hope Romans game plan can exploit there defens
Originally posted by pahlerbj:
Wishful thinking.... But I doubt it.

Harbaugh
"That play worked well... Someone hold on the next play so other teams will think we aren't good...."

"Kap let's get a few delay of game penalties on this drive... Yeah... Than teams will think we are all confused... Yeah!"

I think it's referring to play calling, not penalties.
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If Harbaugh was indeed holding back in the play-calling, then it's time for him to stop.
Our playoffs start next Sunday. It'll take all the creativity and effort that this team has to win the next 2 games, preserve the #2 seed, and go deep in the playoffs.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I wanted to respond with a resounding no, but there is a kernel of truth to this. I want state up front, that no they do not deliberately hold back plays or players for that matter for use specifically in " big games". That being said, what I do see is a coach who is more than willing to take the foot off the gas and take less risks with teams he feels he can beat playing it safe. For better or worse Jim will intentionally beat a team 10-7 if he feels thats the "safe" option. As a result you see a lot less flash in games where we dont fear an offense scoring along with us. It results in keeps some games close late into games, that could have been put away earlier, and having faith in the D to make the smaller lead hold up. Then you get games like Chicago where its precieved as stiffer competition and you get a more agressive game plan.

I know this is all conjecture but the evidence of the last two years seems to hold up. The play calling gets more agressive when our backs are against the wall or the oppenent is deemed a threat.


Agree. Win with minimum risk. I think Harbaugh will eventually get over it. In the NFL with people like Bellichek and Peyton, etc. he will find out that with rare exception you want to play with your foot on the gas as much as possible the vast majority of the time. It helps develop the offense for when your get in shootouts and it keeps you from losing close games and opening the door for momentum shifts that bury you.
I think a lot of people(including myself ) were thinking the same thing last year, didn't really happen .

Who knows might be different with kap, it's a bit puzzling as to why we dont use moss more, and why Vernon has seemingly been phased out.

As a previous poster said " guess we'll find out soon"
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by pahlerbj:
Wishful thinking.... But I doubt it.

Harbaugh
"That play worked well... Someone hold on the next play so other teams will think we aren't good...."

"Kap let's get a few delay of game penalties on this drive... Yeah... Than teams will think we are all confused... Yeah!"

I think it's referring to play calling, not penalties.

duly noted
Gore + our D + long drives + holding Pats to 3rd and nothing = a 49er win
Let's hope we find out on Sunday night and we can hit them with a punch like we did the Bears and not let them recover. Go Niners!
This sounds like the preseason discussions- "we are saving the deep plays for the regular season so nobody will know". Bull sht!

Great teams do what they want when they want. Everybody knew we would to throw to Jerry, and we did, and won SBs.

This holding things back is so silly, practice makes perfect. If we aren't doing it, or can't do it, in the regular season then there I no reason to believe we can when it's most needed.

Are we gonna wait until the 4th qtr of a playoff game to open the play book.

I really hope not
Originally posted by Mankster:
It may be wishful thinging...but...yes. There have been multi times where I have sat scratching my head, wondering why they don't keep doing something that clearly works.
For example:
  1. Two quick passes in a row to Moss...and then crickets.
  2. One beautiful deep pass to Moss (missed PI call) and then nothing more.
  3. Good looking overload blitz that crushes the QB...and then back to vanilla.
It's like JH is just making sure it works and then he puts it back away. ...when we win against average teams...it seems like a pretty good plan. Just boring.

We have a 3-coach game plan and an OC who doesn't have an ability to make in-game adjustments. I have YET to see any offensive "flow"...we don't seem to learn from our mistakes and have you seen one time, all year, where we called play X to set up play Y? Most great OC's call X to set up both Y and Z.

So no, I don't think we're saving anything. We've been doing the same thing thing for 2 years now with 2 different QB's with the same results. We just have more "ability" to be explosive...doubt HaRoman tap into that all of a sudden.
Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
Nope... With the way people think around here we are going to be the most dominate playoff team ever.

According to people we are always saving plays and saving people to unveil them during the playoffs or for a big game. We are what we are.... it's not a conspiracy.

This response is not directed at you OP, just and observation in general about how people think we are always saving something for some big unveiling.



This. Roman's just a lousy play-caller, there's no secret "hidden weapon" or strategy, the playcalling has just been mediocre.
NO.

Did you see a new game plan in last years playoff games?

Is not going to change except maybe more read option.
Originally posted by rk1642:
NO.

Did you see a new game plan in last years playoff games?

Is not going to change except maybe more read option.

Actually, I saw a lot of aggressive throws to Vernon that I didn't recall seeing much during the regular season. I believe ALL of VD's long TDs last year where in the playoffs with a possible exception or two (I doubt it).

That first TD to VD against Saints had me thinking playoff offense at last....

I dunno. I think there's truth to hiding some stuff. Kaep or Smith we have shown more this year than last season....
It is becoming clear to me that Roman is essentially Jimmy Raye with a bigger playbook and more toys to have fun with. Still doesn't know how to properly utilize either.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM ]