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Week 13: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Speaking as "that guy", I call BS on that one too. I am delusional tho and clearly have no understanding of Alex Smith. I don't understand that Alex makes calls at the line and can get them in the correct protection. I just don't get it.

I should just stop posting because you have schooled me so bad I can never recover.

Now that we have THAT out of the way....

Kaep ran into the endzone because he was trying to get out of the tackle box to throw the ball away. He succeeded. The refs screwed up. Why are people so determined to blame him for a mistake by the ref? I don't get it.

Marvin, I agree with you on the technicality, but perhaps Kaep could have done a better job or maybe taken a sack in that situation?

In a league where judgment calls are routinely screwed up, you never want to let the refs take charge. Any penalty in the end zone is an automatic safety.

I gotta rewatch it, but I can't recall the last time I've seen a QB get a grounding call that looked remotely like that....maybe Brees last week against us, but then again he was nowhere near the end zone.
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by pigskin:
Does any1 see a possibility of Alex getting another concussion if he played in this game?

There were tons of pressure up the middle!

.....sigh.....That pressure was created because they were game planing against Kaepernick and his mobility. Counting on the fact that pressure would cause a rookie mistake or two, which it did. Had Alex been there it would have been a different game plan completely(ie) force Alex to beat them deep as opposed to forcing CK to attempt to play savvy game manager-like football with quick underneath throws.

Alex would have excelled against the rams had the game plan been the same because he is one of the best in the league against the blitz and is still clearly leaps and bounds ahead of Kaepernick in terms of play checking at the LOS.

Now those low snaps to CK from Goodwin dont help when he has to try and read the defense while picking up a ball from the ground, so mistakes will happen when you have to deal with botched snaps.

Alex's possible performance aside...

Do you think the Rams would put less pressure knowing that Alex just had a concussion?
Or do you think Alex would audible the pressure away?
[ Edited by pigskin on Dec 4, 2012 at 4:14 PM ]
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Speaking as "that guy", I call BS on that one too. I am delusional tho and clearly have no understanding of Alex Smith. I don't understand that Alex makes calls at the line and can get them in the correct protection. I just don't get it.

I should just stop posting because you have schooled me so bad I can never recover.

Now that we have THAT out of the way....

Kaep ran into the endzone because he was trying to get out of the tackle box to throw the ball away. He succeeded. The refs screwed up. Why are people so determined to blame him for a mistake by the ref? I don't get it.

Marvin, I agree with you on the technicality, but perhaps Kaep could have done a better job or maybe taken a sack in that situation?

In a league where judgment calls are routinely screwed up, you never want to let the refs take charge. Any penalty in the end zone is an automatic safety.

I gotta rewatch it, but I can't recall the last time I've seen a QB get a grounding call that looked remotely like that....maybe Brees last week against us, but then again he was nowhere near the end zone.

If he takes the sack it's a HUGE loss. If he throws it away legally (which he did), it's just an incomplete pass. Why take a huge, drive killing loss if you can just throw it away and try again?

You can't play the game thinking "I had better not do that because the refs could screw us". The refs can screw you on ANY play. The rules are written to allow a player to throw it away if he gets out of the pocket and gets it past the line. He retreated into the endzone to do exactly that...and he succeeded.

If the refs call that play correctly, NOBODY is complaining about it. NOBODY.

You can't blame Kaep for an error by the ref.
Marv, we all hear you. But there is also logic in just taking a sack instead of running backwards 20 yards. Did the refs f**k us? Yeah, but you have to be able to see the other side of the coin, too.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Marv, we all hear you. But there is also logic in just taking a sack instead of running backwards 20 yards. Did the refs f**k us? Yeah, but you have to be able to see the other side of the coin, too.

I concede that running into the endzone wasn't the wisest course of action, but one of the big reasons he's in there to begin with is that he can escape the rush better than Alex can. He thought he could get away and get rid of the ball...and he did. I can't fault him for that.

BTW...I have now watched it AGAIN and I come away thinking more than ever that Kaep should be the QB.

Why?

He was NOT rattled. He made some young player mistakes, but he wasn't rattled.

What impressed me the most in this game with him was his confidense after mistakes and in tough situations. On third downs he is a MUCH, MUCH more clutch player than Alex has ever been. He makes the throws you need him to make even when he is standing in his own endzone.

When Alex makes a mistake, he tends to be fearful of making another. He turtles up and never throws it down the field again. Kaep doesn't do that.

On the next three plays after the lateral, he responded with a dart to Crabtree on an out, the 50 yard run, and then what should have been a TD to Walker. CLUTCH.

We are going to have to live with mistakes. He's young. I still think tho that he gives the 49ers the best chance to win a Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

BTW....What does this Rams D remind me of most? The Giants. STRONG rush and zone behind it. To all those peeps who say Alex would have done better, how did he fair against the Giants this year? Now I'm not saying that its a sure thing that Alex would have lost, I'm just saying its nothing close to a forgone conclusion that he would have won.

Moreover, would he have beaten the Bears? The Saints? Maybe. We'll never know. The D was lights out against both teams. I have my doubts tho against the Saints.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Dec 5, 2012 at 9:58 AM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I concede that running into the endzone wasn't the wisest course of action, but one of the big reasons he's in there to begin with is that he can escape the rush better than Alex can. He thought he could get away and get rid of the ball...and he did. I can't fault him for that.

BTW...I have now watched it AGAIN and I come away thinking more than ever that Kaep should be the QB.

Why?

He was NOT rattled. He made some young player mistakes, but he wasn't rattled.

What impressed me the most in this game with him was his confidense after mistakes and in tough situations. On third downs he is a MUCH, MUCH more clutch player than Alex has ever been. He makes the throws you need him to make even when he is standing in his own endzone.

When Alex makes a mistake, he tends to be fearful of making another. He turtles up and never throws it down the field again. Kaep doesn't do that.

on the next three plays after the lateral, he responded with a dart to Crabtree on an out, the 50 yard run, and then what should have been a TD to Walker. CLUTCH.

We are going to have to love with mistakes. He's young. I still think tho that he gives the 49ers the best chance to win a Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

BTW....What does this Rams D remind me of most? The Giants. STRONG rush and zone behind it. To all those peeps who say Alex would have done better, how did he fair against the Giants this year? Now I'm not saying that its a sure thing that Alex would have lonst, I'm just saying its nothing close to a forgone conclusion that he would have won.

Moreover, would he have beaten the Bears? The Saints? Maybe. We'll never know. The D was lights out against both teams. I have my doubts tho against the Saints.
Enjoyed reading your post this week, as usual.

I have to agree with your assessment of Kaep. Irrespective of how well Alex has played to date, Kaep is the future.

As Alex said, that's a tough pill to swallow, but he's a consumate professional, and I fully expect that he'll work as hard as ever and would be prepared to step back in if ever called upon to do so.

Harbaugh is always preaching about how you're either getting better or getting worse, you don't stay the same. Reinstating Alex after he recovered from his concussion did not appear to be that forward step, so I can understand why they decided to go with Kaep instead. He appears to have a greater upside.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I concede that running into the endzone wasn't the wisest course of action, but one of the big reasons he's in there to begin with is that he can escape the rush better than Alex can. He thought he could get away and get rid of the ball...and he did. I can't fault him for that.

BTW...I have now watched it AGAIN and I come away thinking more than ever that Kaep should be the QB.

Why?

He was NOT rattled. He made some young player mistakes, but he wasn't rattled.

What impressed me the most in this game with him was his confidense after mistakes and in tough situations. On third downs he is a MUCH, MUCH more clutch player than Alex has ever been. He makes the throws you need him to make even when he is standing in his own endzone.

When Alex makes a mistake, he tends to be fearful of making another. He turtles up and never throws it down the field again. Kaep doesn't do that.

on the next three plays after the lateral, he responded with a dart to Crabtree on an out, the 50 yard run, and then what should have been a TD to Walker. CLUTCH.

We are going to have to love with mistakes. He's young. I still think tho that he gives the 49ers the best chance to win a Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

BTW....What does this Rams D remind me of most? The Giants. STRONG rush and zone behind it. To all those peeps who say Alex would have done better, how did he fair against the Giants this year? Now I'm not saying that its a sure thing that Alex would have lonst, I'm just saying its nothing close to a forgone conclusion that he would have won.

Moreover, would he have beaten the Bears? The Saints? Maybe. We'll never know. The D was lights out against both teams. I have my doubts tho against the Saints.
Enjoyed reading your post this week, as usual.

I have to agree with your assessment of Kaep. Irrespective of how well Alex has played to date, Kaep is the future.

As Alex said, that's a tough pill to swallow, but he's a consumate professional, and I fully expect that he'll work as hard as ever and would be prepared to step back in if ever called upon to do so.

Harbaugh is always preaching about how you're either getting better or getting worse, you don't stay the same. Reinstating Alex after he recovered from his concussion did not appear to be that forward step, so I can understand why they decided to go with Kaep instead. He appears to have a greater upside.

The other thing that bothers me is how people say that Harbaugh is showing no loyalty to Alex with this move.

Thats a bunch of BS.

Harbaugh owes Alex the exact same amount of loyalty as he owes every other player on the team. He should NOT keep Alex in there to be loyal if he thinks Kaep gives them a better chance to win the Super Bowl. If he truly believes that Kaep gives them a better shot (and I think he does), then keeping Alex in there is disloyal to the rest of the team.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Dec 5, 2012 at 10:16 AM ]
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I concede that running into the endzone wasn't the wisest course of action, but one of the big reasons he's in there to begin with is that he can escape the rush better than Alex can. He thought he could get away and get rid of the ball...and he did. I can't fault him for that.

BTW...I have now watched it AGAIN and I come away thinking more than ever that Kaep should be the QB.

Why?

He was NOT rattled. He made some young player mistakes, but he wasn't rattled.

What impressed me the most in this game with him was his confidense after mistakes and in tough situations. On third downs he is a MUCH, MUCH more clutch player than Alex has ever been. He makes the throws you need him to make even when he is standing in his own endzone.

When Alex makes a mistake, he tends to be fearful of making another. He turtles up and never throws it down the field again. Kaep doesn't do that.

on the next three plays after the lateral, he responded with a dart to Crabtree on an out, the 50 yard run, and then what should have been a TD to Walker. CLUTCH.

We are going to have to love with mistakes. He's young. I still think tho that he gives the 49ers the best chance to win a Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

BTW....What does this Rams D remind me of most? The Giants. STRONG rush and zone behind it. To all those peeps who say Alex would have done better, how did he fair against the Giants this year? Now I'm not saying that its a sure thing that Alex would have lonst, I'm just saying its nothing close to a forgone conclusion that he would have won.

Moreover, would he have beaten the Bears? The Saints? Maybe. We'll never know. The D was lights out against both teams. I have my doubts tho against the Saints.
Enjoyed reading your post this week, as usual.

I have to agree with your assessment of Kaep. Irrespective of how well Alex has played to date, Kaep is the future.

As Alex said, that's a tough pill to swallow, but he's a consumate professional, and I fully expect that he'll work as hard as ever and would be prepared to step back in if ever called upon to do so.

Harbaugh is always preaching about how you're either getting better or getting worse, you don't stay the same. Reinstating Alex after he recovered from his concussion did not appear to be that forward step, so I can understand why they decided to go with Kaep instead. He appears to have a greater upside.

The other thing that bothers me is how people say that Harbaugh is showing no loyalty to Alex with this move.

Thats a bunch of BS.

Harbaugh owes Alex the exact same amount of loyalty as he owes every other player on the team. He should NOT keep Alex in there to be loyal if he thinks Kaep gives them a better chance to win the Super Bowl. If he truly believes that Kaep gives them a better shot (and I think he does), then keeping Alex in there is disloyal to the rest of the team.

I agree 100% with you smart guys. CK has a chance to be a star in the league, Im not saying he will for sure but he has the tools to do it.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
BTW....What does this Rams D remind me of most? The Giants. STRONG rush and zone behind it. To all those peeps who say Alex would have done better, how did he fair against the Giants this year? Now I'm not saying that its a sure thing that Alex would have lost, I'm just saying its nothing close to a forgone conclusion that he would have won.

Been saying the same thing all week Marv. I think if we inserted Alex into the game when it was 10-2, yes I think we have like a 99% chance we win.

But to say if Alex started we would have won is nothing more than baseless conjecture that I cant get behind. In fact, we have trends that say the exact opposite. How many times in Alex's career have the 49ers won the game when the running game was abysmal? I think the Bengals game last year might be the only time in the past 8 years where we can say that. And in that game, our defense had 3 turnovers and Alex didnt throw a touchdown pass.

Bottom line is, we have no idea if Alex would have won the Rams game this year. Theres no way to prove it. You can only look at trends and statistics to form the best opinion possible.
Good analyses as usual, Yeah it was just one of those games that we should have never lost but we have those every year, a lot of bad bad things had to happen for the Niners to lose and they happened. I think they will be fine, The Rams are becoming a very good team, not quite there yet but soon will be a player for the Division crown. They are undefeated in the NFC West so far!! Lets hope that continues in Seattle. I guess its going to be like last year and be the biggest NFC West game of the year when the Niners head to Seattle...AND FOR GODS SAKE...#46 CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!