Week 13: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 18

Marvin49 · 2012-12-02T19:24:39-08:00

So, I was too annoyed to wait until later to rewatch the game. Watched it again immediately. 1) Kaepernick: Lets everyone chill out for a sec. Nobody thought he was going to be perfect in every game this year. That's not the reason he was made the starter. First, the Intentional Grounding WASN'T intentional grounding. The ball started on the far hash and he was outside the tackle box. He threw the ball beyond the LOS. Lets not put a clear missed call on him. Second, the lateral. Bad play. No defending it, but lets be real here for a sec. Harbaugh/Roman NEVER should have called that play to begin with. The pitch itself was a "young QB" mistake and he's going to make those. He did enough tho to make up for it and if Delanie Walker can catch the damn ball he wins the game. Kaep STILL made plays that Alex could never make...and I say that as an Alex FAN. He escaped the rush on what would have been sacks several times...including the 50 yard run. He made throws Alex would never make (the outs to Crabtree and Manningham come to mind). It looks like the Rams were very concerned with Kaep completing passes deep down the field and were playong off for most of the game. Thats why the Niners were having success underneath. Kaep (just has he has in his last 2 starts) played very well on third down. 2) Play Calling: I am a Greg Roman fan. I've defended him time after time on this site. This game pissed my off from beginning to end. Ya know what Greg? Good things happen when Kaep gets to throw the ball. The pitch was a HORRIBLE call. Horrific. Almost as bad was the playcalling in overtime. They got the ball at the 50 and never took a shot. They have a QB now who can make those throws. You gotta use him. I also saw it in the red zone....2 runs that go nowhere, Kaep throws it to convert. Maybe try throwing it earlier 3) Defense: Great Game. They got let down by poor play on offense. They got pushed around a few weeks ago vs Jackson and made up for it today. Much better game. 4) Run game: Outside of a few plays at the beginning, they largely got shut down. Even thought they weren't having success, they just kept bashing against that brick wall. THROW THE DAMN BALL. Kaep can make plays Alex couldn't. LET HIM. I'm not saying stop running altogether. I'm just saying that sometimes one aspect of the game is working better. 5) Akers: I'm not a "cut this guy" kinda fan....but this is getting old. 6) Ginn: See #5. 7) LaMichael James: We need that outside speed element that Hunter gave them. Gore can thunder between the tackles and Hunter was a great change of pace. Jacobs is good for short yardage, but defenses are just condensing because they don't fear anyone getting out to the perimeter. It's time to activate LaMichael James 8) Manningham: I hope he's not hurt too bad. He's really becoming a clutch player. 9) Walker: WILDLY inconsistent. Athletically a game-changer, but the guy just seems to fight the ball. Two more drops and one of them was a perfect pass that would likely have won the game. 10) Penalties: I dunno if its the domes on the road or what, but the penalties are getting rediculous. Those 10 yard penaties are drive killers. Niners need to fix that crap. NOW. EDIT: Had to add.... 11) Crabtree: Looking like the guy we wanted him to be on draft day. Can create when the play breaks down. Kaepernick-Crabtree are going to be a threat for a long-long time. On that topic, a dynamic passer like Kaepernick will make it easier to keep and sign WRs and TEs in the offseason.

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM

#256

NinerSince82
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Good read. I would like to add that Bruce Miller had a great game.

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:39 PM

#257

JeuSF49
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Jenkins-0 snaps, cant surpass Ginn
James-0 snaps, cant surpass Dixon
Looney-cant surpass L Davis
Fleming-torn ACL probably will get cut next year
Robinson-very few snaps, ST only
Slowey-Cut
Johnson-Practice Squad

That looks like complete dog s**t.

Jenkins has no ST value.
Same goes for James. they tried him as a punt returner yet he was not able to do it.
I have no problem with Looney not beeing able to surpass L Davis. L Davis was siged as competition for Boone,

Let´s wait and see what happens. In a few year´s time.

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM

#258

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Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Jenkins-0 snaps, cant surpass Ginn
James-0 snaps, cant surpass Dixon
Looney-cant surpass L Davis
Fleming-torn ACL probably will get cut next year
Robinson-very few snaps, ST only
Slowey-Cut
Johnson-Practice Squad

That looks like complete dog s**t.
Jenkins has no ST value.
Same goes for James. they tried him as a punt returner yet he was not able to do it.
I have no problem with Looney not beeing able to surpass L Davis. L Davis was siged as competition for Boone,

Let´s wait and see what happens. In a few year´s time.

how many WR's on our team play ST....2 and normally 1st rounders dont play ST, there ability at their main position should be enough for them to start

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:50 PM

#259

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Smith would have won that game 24-0 .. Kaep lost 13-16 in OT .. Kaep is still raw .. Let Smith take us to the promise land

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:52 PM

#260

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Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by jreff22:
I have said this since week 3......after the rookie class had been with the team for over 2 months. Right now the vast majority of this draft looks like failure.

Maybe a bit too early to say failure, but I do think it was a "concern" when #1 and #2 picks aren't even active for games, and "red flag" when they can't sniff the field after injuries to players at their positions.

Jenkins-0 snaps, cant surpass Ginn
James-0 snaps, cant surpass Dixon
Looney-cant surpass L Davis
Fleming-torn ACL probably will get cut next year
Robinson-very few snaps, ST only
Slowey-Cut
Johnson-Practice Squad

That looks like complete dog s**t.

JohnDoe49er, last season:

What a s**tty draft class!

Aldon can't start over
Kap looks like a bust, he'll never play
Cully is a project who couldn't beat out Tarell
Hunter's too small to make an impact
Kilgore is a wasted pick, dude hasnt even sniffed the field
I like RoJo, he'll be a stud
Bruce Miller should be an OLB, stop being cute Harbaalke!

[ Edited by kush on Dec 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM ]

Dec 4, 2012 at 12:53 PM

#261

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Originally posted by 49ersnum1:
Smith would have won that game 24-0 .. Kaep lost 13-16 in OT .. Kaep is still raw .. Let Smith take us to the promise land

Let's not make this into a QB thread.

- 98

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:01 PM

#262

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Originally posted by kush:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Originally posted by jreff22:
I have said this since week 3......after the rookie class had been with the team for over 2 months. Right now the vast majority of this draft looks like failure.

Maybe a bit too early to say failure, but I do think it was a "concern" when #1 and #2 picks aren't even active for games, and "red flag" when they can't sniff the field after injuries to players at their positions.

Jenkins-0 snaps, cant surpass Ginn
James-0 snaps, cant surpass Dixon
Looney-cant surpass L Davis
Fleming-torn ACL probably will get cut next year
Robinson-very few snaps, ST only
Slowey-Cut
Johnson-Practice Squad

That looks like complete dog s**t.

JohnDoe49er, last season:

What a s**tty draft class!

Aldon can't start over
Kap looks like a bust, he'll never play
Cully is a project who couldn't beat out Tarell
Hunter's too small to make an impact
Kilgore is a wasted pick, dude hasnt even sniffed the field
I like RoJo, he'll be a stud
Bruce Miller should be an OLB, stop being cute Harbaalke!

Your point holds no water. Almost every kid last year played....this year pretty much none.

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM

#263

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a dynamic passer like Kaepernick.....

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM

#264

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Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by HornedToad10:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
What was the reason that we made Kaep the starter? IF it wasn't that he gives us a better chance to win now, it was a mistake.

I don't think he did that this game.

He DOES give them a better chance....but that doesn't mean they are going to win every game. Alex would have been crushed under that rush. He wouldn't have converted half the third downs that Kaep did. I like Alex, but Kaep gives the 49ers a better chance to win. He's going to make mistakes, but he's also going to make big plays to make up for them.

You have to be realistic. THIS game, Alex would have given a better chance. Kaep was a net 3 points since he gave up 10 points to the Rams. This is a game where the 1st year starter made mistakes to cost the game. Hopefully next week he'll be better and make plays to win games we wouldn't win with Alex. Kaep is classic higher highs and lower lows style of quarterback right now....

I call BS on that one.

First off, that wasn't a safety BAD call. Kaep did the right thing.

LOL! Running into your own end zone when the play started at the 17 is doing the "right thing"?

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:49 PM

#265

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Thanks for the unbiased and accurate account of what took place in the rams game Marvin49!!!

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM

#266

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Originally posted by jreff22:
Your point holds no water. Almost every kid last year played....this year pretty much none.

My point holds a good deal of water - It's too early to start b***hing about our draft class.

It's obvious Harbaugh coaches conservatively and will play the vet, even if the kid offers more upside. Give our guys some time to develop and like CK by this time next season they'll be ready to take over major roles on our team.

Dec 4, 2012 at 1:58 PM

#267

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Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Should've never come to Walker not making a catch on that drive. Ball should've been run 3 times,using the Rams last 2 timeouts and then running 40 more seconds off the clock after a 3rd down run. Akers makes a field goal and the Rams have about a minute left to get in field goal range with no timeouts. Coaching plain and simple lost this game today. I'm a big Harbaugh fan but today they dropped the ball. This coaching blunder may very well cost us the division and the 2nd seed.

Thats what harbaugh would have done last year and it would have won the game
Although it was the only great play call by roman (play action to walker) if the dude makes that simple of a catch, game over

Dec 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM

#268

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Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by HornedToad10:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
What was the reason that we made Kaep the starter? IF it wasn't that he gives us a better chance to win now, it was a mistake.

I don't think he did that this game.

He DOES give them a better chance....but that doesn't mean they are going to win every game. Alex would have been crushed under that rush. He wouldn't have converted half the third downs that Kaep did. I like Alex, but Kaep gives the 49ers a better chance to win. He's going to make mistakes, but he's also going to make big plays to make up for them.

You have to be realistic. THIS game, Alex would have given a better chance. Kaep was a net 3 points since he gave up 10 points to the Rams. This is a game where the 1st year starter made mistakes to cost the game. Hopefully next week he'll be better and make plays to win games we wouldn't win with Alex. Kaep is classic higher highs and lower lows style of quarterback right now....

I call BS on that one.

First off, that wasn't a safety BAD call. Kaep did the right thing.

LOL! Running into your own end zone when the play started at the 17 is doing the "right thing"?

LOL that guy is delusional. Kaep running in the endzone was clearly the WRONG thing.

Alex wins that game easily. He also doesn't seem to understand that Alex is like a second OC on the field. He picks which play to run and calls the protections, the rush would have been different and play calling different if Alex were in the game.

Dec 4, 2012 at 2:01 PM

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Originally posted by Gore_21:
One of the few bright sides I seen was Bruce Miller continuing to catch and run hard after the catch. Give it to him instead of Walker. But yeah, fed up with Walker. 6 tds in 7 years... only way I take him back is if he takes a pay cut and returns as the #3 TE who mainly is a blocker.

But like you said Roman did a horrible job. Conservative at the wrong times... I mean yeah Jenkins is playing off 10 yards and giving up free 1st downs but lets run it 3 times and make Akers kick a 50+ yarder to win it. Also, whether it was suppose to be Kap audibling out of the plays or it was Romans calls the constant bashing of our heads against the wall when they had 10+ in the box reminded me of the Singletary days. Pathetic. Penalties like you said; we are so undisciplined at times. Oh, Crabtree continues to be a bright spot as well.

Miller is a poor's man tom rathman but i would take him over a lot of FB
i like the dude
Credit to his position coach...

Dec 4, 2012 at 2:23 PM

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Originally posted by Marvin49:

1) Kaepernick: agree, when you cool it down you gotta admit he wasn't the reason we lost

2) Play Calling: agree again, it was almost rayesque

3) Defense: agree again. Although once again we cannot stop the last rams drive in regulation. And it's not the first stupid penalty on goldson

4) Run game: we just saw how devastating the loss of hunter is. I want to see james, fast..

5) Akers: i'll give him a few more chances as i hope it is his pelvitis that cause the trouble

6) Ginn: as we wont keep him past this season why don't we activate jenkins ? James ?

7) LaMichael James: totally agree cos of #4 and #6

8) Manningham: i wouldn't categorize him as dependable but unfortunately jenkins is not prepared and ginn, well ginn...

9) Walker : nothing else to say

10) Penalties: You're spot on

11) Crabtree: kaep makes the receivers look good. They seem on the same page after 3 games while with alex you're not sure they ever were. Just hear crabtree talk since kaep took over he cant hide is satisfaction.

12) i hope kaep will succeed if not i already have a nickname for him : crap-nick

[ Edited by 49Fever on Dec 4, 2012 at 2:27 PM ]