Week 13: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 15

Marvin49 · 2012-12-02T19:24:39-08:00

So, I was too annoyed to wait until later to rewatch the game. Watched it again immediately. 1) Kaepernick: Lets everyone chill out for a sec. Nobody thought he was going to be perfect in every game this year. That's not the reason he was made the starter. First, the Intentional Grounding WASN'T intentional grounding. The ball started on the far hash and he was outside the tackle box. He threw the ball beyond the LOS. Lets not put a clear missed call on him. Second, the lateral. Bad play. No defending it, but lets be real here for a sec. Harbaugh/Roman NEVER should have called that play to begin with. The pitch itself was a "young QB" mistake and he's going to make those. He did enough tho to make up for it and if Delanie Walker can catch the damn ball he wins the game. Kaep STILL made plays that Alex could never make...and I say that as an Alex FAN. He escaped the rush on what would have been sacks several times...including the 50 yard run. He made throws Alex would never make (the outs to Crabtree and Manningham come to mind). It looks like the Rams were very concerned with Kaep completing passes deep down the field and were playong off for most of the game. Thats why the Niners were having success underneath. Kaep (just has he has in his last 2 starts) played very well on third down. 2) Play Calling: I am a Greg Roman fan. I've defended him time after time on this site. This game pissed my off from beginning to end. Ya know what Greg? Good things happen when Kaep gets to throw the ball. The pitch was a HORRIBLE call. Horrific. Almost as bad was the playcalling in overtime. They got the ball at the 50 and never took a shot. They have a QB now who can make those throws. You gotta use him. I also saw it in the red zone....2 runs that go nowhere, Kaep throws it to convert. Maybe try throwing it earlier 3) Defense: Great Game. They got let down by poor play on offense. They got pushed around a few weeks ago vs Jackson and made up for it today. Much better game. 4) Run game: Outside of a few plays at the beginning, they largely got shut down. Even thought they weren't having success, they just kept bashing against that brick wall. THROW THE DAMN BALL. Kaep can make plays Alex couldn't. LET HIM. I'm not saying stop running altogether. I'm just saying that sometimes one aspect of the game is working better. 5) Akers: I'm not a "cut this guy" kinda fan....but this is getting old. 6) Ginn: See #5. 7) LaMichael James: We need that outside speed element that Hunter gave them. Gore can thunder between the tackles and Hunter was a great change of pace. Jacobs is good for short yardage, but defenses are just condensing because they don't fear anyone getting out to the perimeter. It's time to activate LaMichael James 8) Manningham: I hope he's not hurt too bad. He's really becoming a clutch player. 9) Walker: WILDLY inconsistent. Athletically a game-changer, but the guy just seems to fight the ball. Two more drops and one of them was a perfect pass that would likely have won the game. 10) Penalties: I dunno if its the domes on the road or what, but the penalties are getting rediculous. Those 10 yard penaties are drive killers. Niners need to fix that crap. NOW. EDIT: Had to add.... 11) Crabtree: Looking like the guy we wanted him to be on draft day. Can create when the play breaks down. Kaepernick-Crabtree are going to be a threat for a long-long time. On that topic, a dynamic passer like Kaepernick will make it easier to keep and sign WRs and TEs in the offseason.

Dec 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM

#211

SofaKing
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We were going for the killshot. Rams expected us to run on all 3 downs to run the clock. It was a good playcall and a nice throw by Kaep. Walker just flat out dropped it. He catches that and we win. Can't fault the coaches for trying to ice the game right then and there.

Dec 3, 2012 at 4:52 PM

#212

49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by drakan:

Originally posted by susweel:
Because it was the right call and would have worked if buttfingers could catch the ball. the bad part was throwing to walker and not vd.

Receivers drop passes from time to time...it's part of the game. It was an unnecessary gamble that backfired. Should have played it safe and milked the clock, but then again Harbaugh loves to gamble.

f**k playing it safe, go for the kill

Sweep the leg

Body bag

Dec 3, 2012 at 4:56 PM

#213

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Pete, not many posts, but I wondered same thing...I stll think Harbaw is a clever guy. But this game was a fustercluck, courtesy of grotesquely bad coaching calls. And Command is right...I do believe the coaches at some point started coaching down to Kap...who was plenty shook in this game, despite some great plays.

[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Dec 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM ]

Dec 3, 2012 at 4:59 PM

#214

SnakePlissken
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by drakan:

Originally posted by susweel:
Because it was the right call and would have worked if buttfingers could catch the ball. the bad part was throwing to walker and not vd.

Receivers drop passes from time to time...it's part of the game. It was an unnecessary gamble that backfired. Should have played it safe and milked the clock, but then again Harbaugh loves to gamble.

f**k playing it safe, go for the kill

Sweep the leg

Yeah. and I mean it's not like Gore & Jacobs + our o-line were having a blue-ribbon day on their front seven. Beyond Kaep's scrambles, we accomplished nothing on the ground, once again out-muscled.

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:02 PM

#215

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I struggle with the OC getting too cute. Their D puts them in position for a W, and doesn't need to be put in positions of jeopardy as much as they are.

That said, there were a bunch of whiffs in this game that led to the loss.

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM

#216

LaMattsBlue
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Originally posted by monsterzero789:

Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
No way the Rams come back and score a TD. that offense did nothing on Sunday. The mistake on that drive was Kaep running out of bounds

That + walker drop + walker hold + Goldson penalty = OT

Ya, Walker should get the s**t kicked out of him. He drops a perfectly throw ball right in his hands. What does he do immediately after that as a follow-up on, if I remember correctly a good Gore run, he holds. Get the f**k outta here...seriously...what the f**k.

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM

#217

area49
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Originally posted by pete98146:
I'm starting to think that long pass to Kyle Williams the other week was an abhoration. If they truely wanted a game manager to throw 15 yard dinks why did they bench Alex? This makes NOOOOOOOOOOOO sense to me. Starting Kaep and drawing up a "game manager" game plan is like bringing in Nolan Ryan from the bull pen and having him throw change ups and curve balls all game long.

Guess I'm disappointed because I thought Harbaugh was a clever guy. He's turned this team into a clusterf*ck.

Agreed. I think Harbaugh is quickly losing his charm.

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:21 PM

#218

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Originally posted by area49:

Originally posted by pete98146:
I'm starting to think that long pass to Kyle Williams the other week was an abhoration. If they truely wanted a game manager to throw 15 yard dinks why did they bench Alex? This makes NOOOOOOOOOOOO sense to me. Starting Kaep and drawing up a "game manager" game plan is like bringing in Nolan Ryan from the bull pen and having him throw change ups and curve balls all game long.

Guess I'm disappointed because I thought Harbaugh was a clever guy. He's turned this team into a clusterf*ck.

Agreed. I think Harbaugh is quickly losing his charm.

Have you been to the new stadium in Santa Clara?

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:23 PM

#219

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Originally posted by HearstFan:

1. Hunter's stretch runs were sorely missed, the defense was crashing gaps hard looking for Gore. The 49ers have a really difficult time with disruptive defensive line schemes - Giants, new Rams, old AZ capabilities. Hunter's stretch runs helped keep them honest. Kap's scrambles should help too eventually. James may be the solution here, certainly not Jacobs (although I have been waiting to see him!)

almost as disappointing as the loss, was not seeing LMJ activated. do not understand this.

Ginn at tail back.................

Dec 3, 2012 at 5:41 PM

#220

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Great post Marvin49. To me Vernon should have been the one running Walkers route when he dropped the pass. I do believe Roman's playcalling was not very good most of the game.

Dec 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM

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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Pete, not many posts, but I wondered same thing...I stll think Harbaw is a clever guy. But this game was a fustercluck, courtesy of grotesquely bad coaching calls. Andy Command is right...I do believe the coaches at some point started coaching down to Kap...who was plenty shook in this game, despite some great plays.

Watched the game again and more evidence of CK possibly being coached down like Alex. General offensive notes (most already covered):

Lots of check downs (Gore still can't catch) esp. to Miller - eye on the outlet
Tons of scrambles under 3 seconds (mostly short runs out of bounds)
3 sacks, countless other pressures/hits/safety/pressure toss back (for a defensive TD)
Max protect. designed roll-outs but with minimal receiving options (still a piss poor ad lib team)
How many runs between the tackles? Like every single one! Jacobs got a couple 3rd and shorts.
Most slants I've seen in one game since the 90's (why not stay with it?)
VD, Walker only 3 total catches
15 catches by the WR's which is good. Crabtree tied the season high for catches with 7. Most passes were well underneath (inside 10 yards with little to no RAC) including the perpetual, short-of-the-endzone pass plays
Lots of loss of yardage plays
More drops (receivers running routes short of the marker again)
Missed a few receivers that lead to negative/futile plays (VD, Crabtree, Moss in the EZ = FG instead, etc.)
One deep pass (attempted)
Threw into triple coverage when VD and Gore (split out wide) we both wide open
We struggle against 4-3 defenses (where the DE's are active and can contain the edges)

Dec 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM

#222

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Anyone realize crabtree went over 100 yards?

Dec 3, 2012 at 6:12 PM

#223

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Originally posted by darkknight49:
Anyone realize crabtree went over 100 yards?

The receivers love these OT games! Kidding...that's great. He got jipped again on an incomplete pass that he caught and could have have some big RAC. Refs were very poor for both teams.

Dec 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM

#224

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Pete, not many posts, but I wondered same thing...I stll think Harbaw is a clever guy. But this game was a fustercluck, courtesy of grotesquely bad coaching calls. Andy Command is right...I do believe the coaches at some point started coaching down to Kap...who was plenty shook in this game, despite some great plays.

Watched the game again and more evidence of CK possibly being coached down like Alex. General offensive notes (most already covered):

Lots of check downs (Gore still can't catch) esp. to Miller - eye on the outlet

Tons of scrambles under 3 seconds (mostly short runs out of bounds)

3 sacks, countless other pressures/hits/safety/pressure toss back (for a defensive TD)

Max protect. designed roll-outs but with minimal receiving options (still a piss poor ad lib team)

How many runs between the tackles? Like every single one! Jacobs got a couple 3rd and shorts.

Most slants I've seen in one game since the 90's (why not stay with it?)

VD, Walker only 3 total catches

15 catches by the WR's which is good. Crabtree tied the season high for catches with 7. Most passes were well underneath (inside 10 yards with little to no RAC) including the perpetual, short-of-the-endzone pass plays

Lots of loss of yardage plays

More drops (receivers running routes short of the marker again)

Missed a few receivers that lead to negative/futile plays (VD, Crabtree, Moss in the EZ = FG instead, etc.)

One deep pass (attempted)

Threw into triple coverage when VD and Gore (split out wide) we both wide open

We struggle against 4-3 defenses (where the DE's are active and can contain the edges)

If we could have just ran another pass play on third and three instead of that pitch, we are probably talking about a comfortable victory right now, EVEN IF the pass was incomplete.

Dec 3, 2012 at 6:22 PM

#225

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Originally posted by BrianGO:
If we could have just ran another pass play on third and three instead of that pitch, we are probably talking about a comfortable victory right now, EVEN IF the pass was incomplete.

don't the Redskins have a money play where they do the a QB option to the RB, but quickly throw it to the WR who is running a slant.

I can see that working much better than a triple option pitch back to Ginn who was just thrown out there..lol.