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RETRO THREAD: November 13, 1994

  • mayo49
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More screen plays. They work.
Loved Madden's comment that they didn't bother to block Haley, just ran right by him! Yes, this is a great play to use against over aggressive DLines.
Steve Young runs out of the pocket too much and take unnecessary hits. Doesn't know how to slide to protect himself. Can't beat a top notch defense like Dallas. Has to have everything perfect around him to win a SB. Bryant Young, Williams Floyd, Gary Plummer, Ken Nortan, Dieon Sanders --all these guys had to be brought in through that year's draft and FA, on top of the guys he already had on the team -- like Rice, Taylor, Brent Jones, Rickey Watters, and one of the best O-line in footbal. All just so Young can win a SB.


Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Steve Young runs out of the pocket too much and take unnecessary hits. Doesn't know how to slide to protect himself. Can't beat a top notch defense like Dallas. Has to have everything perfect around him to win a SB. Bryant Young, Williams Floyd, Gary Plummer, Ken Nortan, Dieon Sanders --all these guys had to be brought in through that year's draft and FA, on top of the guys he already had on the team -- like Rice, Taylor, Brent Jones, Rickey Watters, and one of the best O-line in footbal. All just so Young can win a SB.



Thank you for making me laugh so early in the morning!
Originally posted by cciowa:
that years team had an elite defense and the only thing that went wrong that year on defense is when ken norton busted richard dents leg,, but lucky for us, tim harris was flipping burgers and needed a job so we got him. where is a pass rusher like timmy harris today?

Tim Harris didn't take Dents place, Rickey Jackson did.

No biggie....just wanted to be historically accurate. ;-)

BTW, in addition to Harris and Jackson, they also signed Charles Mann that year.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Nov 14, 2012 at 3:25 PM ]
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
that years team had an elite defense and the only thing that went wrong that year on defense is when ken norton busted richard dents leg,, but lucky for us, tim harris was flipping burgers and needed a job so we got him. where is a pass rusher like timmy harris today?

Tim Harris didn't take Dents place, Rickey Jackson did.

No biggie....just wanted to be historically accurate. ;-)

BTW, in addition to Harris and Jackson, they also signed Charles Mann that year.
we still went out and signed tim harris cuz we needed a pass rusher that year, timmy and his six guns did the job
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by cciowa:
that years team had an elite defense and the only thing that went wrong that year on defense is when ken norton busted richard dents leg,, but lucky for us, tim harris was flipping burgers and needed a job so we got him. where is a pass rusher like timmy harris today?

Tim Harris didn't take Dents place, Rickey Jackson did.

No biggie....just wanted to be historically accurate. ;-)

BTW, in addition to Harris and Jackson, they also signed Charles Mann that year.
we still went out and signed tim harris cuz we needed a pass rusher that year, timmy and his six guns did the job

rickey jackson was more a hybrid "jumbo/elephant" DE/OLB that we brought in to fill the huge pass rush specialist void left when we lost charles haley to the cowpukes...we also had dennis brown as the other DE, and vet guys who added depth like charles mann and rhett hall-- all of whom were enticed in the infant days of FA to come here on short-term contracts for arguably less money than they would've gotten elsewhere due to the lure of the 49ers just pretty much saying a big "F*** YOU--WE'RE WINNING THE SUPER BOWL!" to all the other teams and outspending them all (the last hurrah of Eddie D and Carmen Policy being straight up G's)....even our stalwarts like Jerry Rice took paycuts that year to clear up cap space just to load up everywhere and finally take down Dallas...
[ Edited by Dr_Bill_Walsh on Nov 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM ]
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Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
rickey jackson was more a hybrid "jumbo/elephant" DE/OLB that we brought in to fill the huge pass rush specialist void left when we lost charles haley to the cowpukes...we also had dennis brown as the other DE, and vet guys who added depth like charles mann and rhett hall-- all of whom were enticed in the infant days of FA to come here on short-term contracts for arguably less money than they would've gotten elsewhere due to the lure of the 49ers just pretty much saying a big "F*** YOU--WE'RE WINNING THE SUPER BOWL!" to all the other teams and outspending them all (the last hurrah of Eddie D and Carmen Policy being straight up G's)....even our stalwarts like Jerry Rice took paycuts that year to clear up cap space just to load up everywhere and finally take down Dallas...

I also love how Ed McCaffery was our fourth WR on the '94 Squad. I just recently re-watched Super Bowl XXIX, and Al Micheal said something to the effect that Eddie D was trying to entice Shanahan to stay on and forgo coaching opportunites. Its really too bad that couldn't have happen since George only coached 2 more seasons with us. The late-90's would have had a much different feel with Shanahan in charge. I would be willing to bet we wouldn't have had our "Packer-slump" since we would have had a well-rooted WCO guru instead of dumb ass Trestman.
Originally posted by Niners816:
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I also love how Ed McCaffery was our fourth WR on the '94 Squad. I just recently re-watched Super Bowl XXIX, and Al Micheal said something to the effect that Eddie D was trying to entice Shanahan to stay on and forgo coaching opportunites. Its really too bad that couldn't have happen since George only coached 2 more seasons with us. The late-90's would have had a much different feel with Shanahan in charge. I would be willing to bet we wouldn't have had our "Packer-slump" since we would have had a well-rooted WCO guru instead of dumb ass Trestman.

had shanahan stayed to become HC and/or seifert just retired after '94 you KNOW the Niners wouldn't have had the running game slump that happened after Watters left for Philly (imagine if he'd drafted Terrell Davis in the 6th Rd in '95 for the Niners insted of the Broncos!)....From 95-96 that was our Achilles' heel against the Pack--we became one-dimensional when teams took away our mediocre running backs (Derek Loville, Terry Kirby, etc) finally had a chance in 97 to take the cheeseheads down with the addition of Garrison Hearst, but then the rainy slop of Candlestick and dubious officiating (sound familiar?) stole another NFCCG...
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Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Niners816:
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I also love how Ed McCaffery was our fourth WR on the '94 Squad. I just recently re-watched Super Bowl XXIX, and Al Micheal said something to the effect that Eddie D was trying to entice Shanahan to stay on and forgo coaching opportunites. Its really too bad that couldn't have happen since George only coached 2 more seasons with us. The late-90's would have had a much different feel with Shanahan in charge. I would be willing to bet we wouldn't have had our "Packer-slump" since we would have had a well-rooted WCO guru instead of dumb ass Trestman.

had shanahan stayed to become HC and/or seifert just retired after '94 you KNOW the Niners wouldn't have had the running game slump that happened after Watters left for Philly (imagine if he'd drafted Terrell Davis in the 6th Rd in '95 for the Niners insted of the Broncos!)....From 95-96 that was our Achilles' heel against the Pack--we became one-dimensional when teams took away our mediocre running backs (Derek Loville, Terry Kirby, etc) finally had a chance in 97 to take the cheeseheads down with the addition of Garrison Hearst, but then the rainy slop of Candlestick and dubious officiating (sound familiar?) stole another NFCCG...
i remember how happy i was when we got kirby from miami, that shows you just how s**tty our running game was,, also i think our special teams were crap to and we finally ran out and signed a very old reggie roby to punt for us in 97ish?
Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
had shanahan stayed to become HC and/or seifert just retired after '94 you KNOW the Niners wouldn't have had the running game slump that happened after Watters left for Philly (imagine if he'd drafted Terrell Davis in the 6th Rd in '95 for the Niners insted of the Broncos!)....From 95-96 that was our Achilles' heel against the Pack--we became one-dimensional when teams took away our mediocre running backs (Derek Loville, Terry Kirby, etc) finally had a chance in 97 to take the cheeseheads down with the addition of Garrison Hearst, but then the rainy slop of Candlestick and dubious officiating (sound familiar?) stole another NFCCG...

The officiating in the Packer games were so one-sided it was sad. I remember in the '95 Divisonal game, Keith Jackson and Chumura must have ran like 10 pick plays that went uncalled. Damn Stockon and Malone would have been proud of the picks. It is still burned in my mind favre's halftime stats of like 14/15 for like 220 and 3 tds. Then of course in the 1996 MNF game Drakeford tripped over Beebe but somehow didn't touch him down. I think the most back-breaking was the should-have-been fumble by Henderson in the '97 Conference championship. So when Packer fans b***h about Rice fumbling in the '98 WC I just laugh. We got one call in a five game stretch.
Originally posted by cciowa:
i remember how happy i was when we got kirby from miami, that shows you just how s**tty our running game was,, also i think our special teams were crap to and we finally ran out and signed a very old reggie roby to punt for us in 97ish?

After Watters left, they were chasing backs like crazy. Hell, If I remember right they signed Rodney Hampton to a big offer sheet but the giant matched. Also I remember them signing Johnny Johnson from Phoenix. I don't even think he made it to preseaon with us. That is one thing that I will always look back fondly on the mooch years were that he brought the running game back with Hearst, Garner, and Barlow.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Nov 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM ]
What a beautiful video. I love that team more than any other team in the history of sports. I don't give a s**t what anyone says. Arguably the best team ever. HOFers and pro bowlers STACKED on both sides of the ball.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Niners816:
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I also love how Ed McCaffery was our fourth WR on the '94 Squad. I just recently re-watched Super Bowl XXIX, and Al Micheal said something to the effect that Eddie D was trying to entice Shanahan to stay on and forgo coaching opportunites. Its really too bad that couldn't have happen since George only coached 2 more seasons with us. The late-90's would have had a much different feel with Shanahan in charge. I would be willing to bet we wouldn't have had our "Packer-slump" since we would have had a well-rooted WCO guru instead of dumb ass Trestman.

had shanahan stayed to become HC and/or seifert just retired after '94 you KNOW the Niners wouldn't have had the running game slump that happened after Watters left for Philly (imagine if he'd drafted Terrell Davis in the 6th Rd in '95 for the Niners insted of the Broncos!)....From 95-96 that was our Achilles' heel against the Pack--we became one-dimensional when teams took away our mediocre running backs (Derek Loville, Terry Kirby, etc) finally had a chance in 97 to take the cheeseheads down with the addition of Garrison Hearst, but then the rainy slop of Candlestick and dubious officiating (sound familiar?) stole another NFCCG...
i remember how happy i was when we got kirby from miami, that shows you just how s**tty our running game was,, also i think our special teams were crap to and we finally ran out and signed a very old reggie roby to punt for us in 97ish?


But it also goes to show what kind of impact an elite quarterback can have on a franchise. Despite having a shady defense and less than mediocre STs, we were still a perennial SB contender because of Young.

Just saying....
Originally posted by Faraz80:
But it also goes to show what kind of impact an elite quarterback can have on a franchise. Despite having a shady defense and less than mediocre STs, we were still a perennial SB contender because of Young.

Just saying....

"we won one Super Bowl despite of Steve Young! Joe would've won at least 3 more!"

-Niner Talk, 1995