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Does Roman not call any vertical routes or does Alex choose not to throw it down the field

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
they need to call more downfield plays. the short routes and trick plays are not gettin it done. i wanna see a more conventional offense rather than stupid gimmicks half the game

This! I also want to add protection to the equation. It seems like there were a lot of vertical routes completed against the Bills because the Oline gave Alex plenty of time to throw the ball. So when the protection isn't there it's harder to pull the trigger on a deep route when your feet aren't set and being able to step into the throw. So I'm guessing Roman has to go to the gimmicks because the Oline is good at run blocking and when it comes to pass blocking vs better dlines they just can't hold up.
[ Edited by paperplanemedia on Oct 16, 2012 at 7:32 AM ]
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It's both. I've never been a big fan of Roman, not now and not when he was in Stanford. Overrated.
its Alex smith plain and simple. I seen kaep do it in his very limited time in game action.
Right!!
I think it is both as well. Harbs likes power football. And with Alex at QB, who has never proved he is good at throwing deep, it's a low percentage play. Actually, even with Kaep it may be low percentage (he is 0 for 2 this year). I think fans care about deep passes more than the coaching staff.
Originally posted by Mann716:
its Alex smith plain and simple. I seen kaep do it in his very limited time in game action.

When?
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
they need to call more downfield plays. the short routes and trick plays are not gettin it done. i wanna see a more conventional offense rather than stupid gimmicks half the game

I'm not a fan of the "dink & dunk offense / Gadget plays" either ..it's time to get back to running the ball , "Woody Hayes football" as mooch would say
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Alex Smith trusts Vernon Davis and will release the ball on time, but any other reciever he will hold it till he is certain they are open. We have been winning with Alex not turning the ball over, but I would like the team to give every third offensive drive to Kapernick. I didnot like when they used Kaep in this last game, but he is the future and although Alex has done enough for the team to win, we will never be a team that can come from behind with out the running game to assist under Alex.
JH already said deep routes are called.
It is more about which route is Alex's primary read. If his primary read is VD on an out route, and VD is open? Alex will throw the ball to him. Moss could be running free far to the other side, but Alex goes through his reads and if his first read is open, the ball's coming out. I can see why that is frustrating, but what also is frustrating is knowing that our pass pro rarely leaves a clean pocket when Alex actually has to go through multiple reads.

( see: Bills game, where he had time to pick and choose and did so in fine fashion )
Honestly I dont think it's a question of Alex not having the arm to go downfield , it's his timing and release

as others have said before, he waits until the receivers are WIDE OPEN until he lets go of the ball
Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
Honestly I dont think it's a question of Alex not having the arm to go downfield , it's his timing and release

as others have said before, he waits until the receivers are WIDE OPEN until he lets go of the ball

Yeah, the pass to Moss last Sunday traveled 55 yards (or more), IIRC.

( I do admit he doesn't have the zip that Ck7 does.. which could be an issue on extremely windy days, perhaps )
Smith lacks the confidence and the accuracy to consistency hook it up deep, he seems to do okay on deep crossing routes, but on the the straight 9 down the sidle line he always overthrows the receiver. It is sad that if we really want to go deep we bring CK...I hope CK can learn to throw the underneath stuff as well as AS, because right now we two halves of one great QB!
I dunno....seemed to be alot of deep routes against Buffalo...Also hit Moss against the Giants and almost hit Manningham. His first INT vs the Giants was deep to Walker. Threw deep three times (2 to Manningham and once to Crabtree) against the Jets but just missed them. What are you peeps talking about?

Most deep passes will be incomplete. They are low % throws.

Alex is a conservative passer. Thats why he only had one INT before the Giants game. Thats not always a bad thing.

The Niners didn't lose to the Giants because Alex wasn't throwing deep. They lost in large part because he WASN'T conservative and threw 3 picks.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
I dunno....seemed to be alot of deep routes against Buffalo...Also hit Moss against the Giants and almost hit Manningham. His first INT vs the Giants was deep to Walker. Threw deep three times (2 to Manningham and once to Crabtree) against the Jets but just missed them. What are you peeps talking about?

Most deep passes will be incomplete. They are low % throws.

Alex is a conservative passer. Thats why he only had one INT before the Giants game. Thats not always a bad thing.

The Niners didn't lose to the Giants because Alex wasn't throwing deep. They lost in large part because he WASN'T conservative and threw 3 picks.

Agreed, we need to let Alex be Alex and manage the game he has shown he can hit certain deep routs, let him throw those, and keep feeding the ball to Gore, I really wish we had taken another power back in the draft to rotate with Gore, screw "thunder and lightning" just bring down more thunder! Hell I would like to see Jacobs activated, see what he can do.