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Week 5: Thoughts after rewatching the game (twice) ;-)

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by CityKing415:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Not going there. The last team that did that was the Falcons with their "State of California" trophy that they put on the sideline at Candlestick. They proceeded to get routed like 40-3 or something that day.

Bad mojo.

that dre bly fumble.. dumbest thing ive seen on a football field.. suprised he wasnt cut after the game..

Not sure if you meant to imply it was the same game, but that trophy was from way back in the Jerry Glanville days.

Glanville was one dumb #### of a head coach.
What do you think is the problem with the special teams?

How was the Oline in pass protection? Seemed like they handled it well? Didn't seem as though Buffalo was energized or was the Oline just that dominant?

Seemed like the Dline held up well, and got pressure but not a lot of sacks? Is that a correct observation?

What adjustments did the Defense do at halftime that allowed them to throttle Buffalo? Was it the mind set of Buffalo or was there something that SF did differently at halftime?

The offensive playmakers for SF seemed on just about everything. What seems to be happening with Moss? Is he being replaced or is everyone else playing so well that that Moss is not needed?
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by CityKing415:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Not going there. The last team that did that was the Falcons with their "State of California" trophy that they put on the sideline at Candlestick. They proceeded to get routed like 40-3 or something that day.

Bad mojo.

that dre bly fumble.. dumbest thing ive seen on a football field.. suprised he wasnt cut after the game..

Not sure if you meant to imply it was the same game, but that trophy was from way back in the Jerry Glanville days.

Glanville was one dumb #### of a head coach.

He went on to coach Portland State (9-24)...so he couldn't have been that bad...JK!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by HearstFan:
[Originally posted in the Alex completion thread - but think it is more appropriate here]

Here is what I saw that was different in this game:

1. More time in the pocket - hopefully this is the OL getting better and can be repeated - but it was also a function of poor Bills DL.

2. LOOKING OFF the defense - Alex did a MUCH better job of eye discipline - keeping his head turned slightly away from where he ultimately threw the ball. Ironically, that is a function of #1 above, because without pressure a QB is less urgently looking immediately to make his throw.

3. Receivers getting separation - In several previous posts I have noted (complained) that our offense doesn't seem to be able to generate that wide open receiver as often as other offenses do - which could be part receiver's lack of ability to separate and part scheme. In this game, there were many times receivers created great separation. I hope this was G-Ro scheme developing rather than poor Bills D.

This is the kind of game that an offense can use to build confidence to take more shots - even against better defenses in the future. Hope this is a big step forward.

Frankly, despite the win last week against the Jets I was worried that in order to win the 49ers were becoming 1 dimensional -- all run -- which would make them vulnerable to a high scoring game. This game was a huge step toward the 9ers becoming a truly balanced offense. It will take a few more like this to be complete - but huge to see the progress!! Go 9ers.

Great post but here is one to think about...

Back in the day, Walsh came into a league dominated by the RB position and installed the WCO going against the grain. Teams were not equipped to beat a short-to-intermediate, quick passing game. Flash forward to 2011. Today in the NFL, aside from the Lions and Bills, who invest money into their DL's anymore during a league that is clearly about the passing game (paying heavily to CB's and S's, LBers, etc.).

So we just ran right over the Lions and Bills and dominated others like GB & didn't even attempt that against the Vikings.

So, in today's game, even if we go one-dimensional (run game), who is equipped to stop us with their DL? Texans? This just seems Walshian-like to me! Except we run to set up the pass in today's WCO. And then run a ton in the 2nd half just like the original WCO.

Yeah I have spoken about this on several occasions in my weekly "Thoughts after rewatching the game."

When Walsh became the head coach of the Niners, it was a league dominated by the run. It was all about huge players who could rough you up and stop the run. Walsh devised an Offense that ran counter to conventional wisdom and dominated the NFL.

Fast-forward 30 years. Its a pass dominated league. Defenses have been forced to counter by stocking up on smaller, faster players to get the edge on the pass rush and cover fleet recievers in space. Harbaugh and Roman do something very Walshian and devise an offense that counters the conventional wisdom and innovate in the RUN game. Teams are no longer built to stop the run and are no longer anywhere near as stout.

I have read for years now that it's a passers league and you NEED to throw the hell out of the ball to win. Thats true...until it's not.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
What do you think is the problem with the special teams?

How was the Oline in pass protection? Seemed like they handled it well? Didn't seem as though Buffalo was energized or was the Oline just that dominant?

Seemed like the Dline held up well, and got pressure but not a lot of sacks? Is that a correct observation?

What adjustments did the Defense do at halftime that allowed them to throttle Buffalo? Was it the mind set of Buffalo or was there something that SF did differently at halftime?

The offensive playmakers for SF seemed on just about everything. What seems to be happening with Moss? Is he being replaced or is everyone else playing so well that that Moss is not needed?

The Buffalo Pass Rush was pretty much non-existant. They either got dominated by the line or were completely fooled by play-action. Thats the joy of Balance.

As for Moss, he plays primarily in red-zone O. The Niners scored alot of their points from OUTSIDE the redzone. He was in there and actually made some a good block for Kaep on his TD.

Randy's presence will be felt when it's a close game and the Niners need to score in the red-zone. He will either be the guy who cathes the TD or the guy who commands triple coverage and gets someone else wide open.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Oct 8, 2012 at 11:16 AM ]
Thanks Marvin I appreciate it. How were the dline and the LBs?
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Thanks Marvin I appreciate it. How were the dline and the LBs?

Fan-freakin-tastic. Played alot of the game in Nickel and STILL shut down the run.
IF this team wins it all, then one of the players I will be happiest for would be Kyle Williams.

Right now this team is on a mission just like the '84 squad was, following the '83 post-season screw-job in Washington- if you're in our way, you're gonna get chewed up and spit out, in the same painful breath; and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, but take it.
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It might not have been that noticed, but Dixon did not dance. He had two runs where he went north and south.

edit: He had four rushes for 21 yards, an average of 5.3 yards a carry, and one touchdown.
[ Edited by buck on Oct 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM ]
Originally posted by adembroski:
So if the 'Niners win next week, are they the NY State Champions?

And NJ ;)
I love the fact we subbed in our 2nd team defense with 8+ minutes remaining and they still dominated the Bills.

Don't think the announcers even noticed because the drop off in play wasn't too bad.

Spillman
McBath
Gooden
Grant
Bahktiari
Cox
And our d line were all keeping up the beat down
[ Edited by Tigerlaw on Oct 8, 2012 at 12:04 PM ]
Originally posted by buck:
It might not have been that noticed, but Dixon did not dance. He had two runs where he went north and south.

edit: He had four rushes for 21 yards, an average of 5.3 yards a carry, and one touchdown.

I was amazed by that on his TD run. Last year he'd dance areound and get tackled behind the LOS, this year he hit the hole with power. The lighting fire under his bottom worked very well.
Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
I love the fact we subbed in our 2nd team defense with 8+ minutes remaining and they still dominated the Bills.

Don't think the announcers even noticed because the drop off in play wasn't too bad.

Spillman
McBath
Gooden
Grant
Bahktiari
Cox
And our d line were all keeping up the beat down

Noticed this but also saw the Buffalo team quit. Not surprising when you're behind by forty points.
My thoughts after watching the game again is they need to replace thier QB and let him go back to caddying for Happy Gilmore