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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 6)

Originally posted by vaden:
Originally posted by mug0mug:
People went crazy on the "Randy Moss was wide open," play where Alex threw the pick (even Gore was pointing!) after Mayock went so heavy on it, but every angle I've looked at he was under duress, had no window, and there was no easy pass to him. I'd have preferred he just throw it away, run, or take a sack, but he was trying to be aggressive rather than passive, a criticism people constantly pepper him with.


Don't know what happened to Mayock, have always thought he's a good analyst, for but whatever reason he was awful in this game. Maybe that's just my bias, but he's lost a lot of credibility with me.

He was like this during the Christmas eve game, total Seahawk-sucking, knew he was gonna bring his a-game tonight sucking them off.
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

accurate. fantastic fans!
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by DirtyP:
2. The passing game had no rythm to disrupt.
3. How does CK running with the ball disrupt the passing game?

AS march the offense to the red zone, inserting CK for that 1 snap stop the rhythm of the drive and mess with AS's head, furthermore CK took a huge hit as the backup and 1 yd loss and a waste of down since everyone has tape on his limited plays. CK is useless and a waste of time.

I'm starting to hate that sh*t. Because the play doesn't work. Hasn't worked in 3 games now -- the Bills, Giants, and Seattle. It's just a wasted down in the redzone.

I was hoping I wasn't going to see him in the redzone today. He may be nice to throw in any other time. I think I remember him running twice into fg range and the pass to moss. But I dont think he's passed in the redzone and teams know hes going to hand it off or run it himself in the rz

Edit: Oh and say what you want but I believe CK in the redzone is not only a loss of downs but it does disrupt the rhythm
[ Edited by pitseleh on Oct 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM ]
Originally posted by pliny:
Great hard-fought game tonight Niner fans. We'll get ya up north in December!!

Yeah it was...December it is..
Originally posted by pitseleh:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by DirtyP:
2. The passing game had no rythm to disrupt.
3. How does CK running with the ball disrupt the passing game?

AS march the offense to the red zone, inserting CK for that 1 snap stop the rhythm of the drive and mess with AS's head, furthermore CK took a huge hit as the backup and 1 yd loss and a waste of down since everyone has tape on his limited plays. CK is useless and a waste of time.

I'm starting to hate that sh*t. Because the play doesn't work. Hasn't worked in 3 games now -- the Bills, Giants, and Seattle. It's just a wasted down in the redzone.

I was hoping I wasn't going to see him in the redzone today. He may be nice to throw in any other time. I think I remember him running twice into fg range and the pass to moss. But I dont think he's passed in the redzone and teams know hes going to hand it off or run it himself in the rz

That's the way I see it too. Anywhere else but not in the all important redzone. Unless they can get him to throw a pass in the redzone and be a dual/triple threat, they need to stop calling it.
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.
Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.

dude I don't know what you've been watching but after initially being a huge success defenses are totally wise to it and snuff it out without fail. The trend is obvious!!!
Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.

I understand. But not in the redzone. Especially when it's not working for 3 games straight. Try it somewhere else.
Frank Gore:

With the 131 today and the 8095 coming in that equals 8226 total and just passed Herschal Walker for 36th all time

36 more yards to get into 35th place

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm
Originally posted by davide49:
Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.

dude I don't know what you've been watching but after initially being a huge success defenses are totally wise to it and snuff it out without fail. The trend is obvious!!!

I count 3 drives now that we marched down the field, played Kaep in the the rz for little or no production, and ended up on fourth down. iirc, those were the last 3 times we played Kaep in the rz
Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.

It might be good as far as keeping opponents guessing..but as for our team, it can be disrupting...we tried that with Young and Bono.back in the early 90's.. didn't work then.
Originally posted by davide49:
Originally posted by mug0mug:
Originally posted by MrTruth:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
I agree with relying on Smith to pass has not produced, but Smith's first two games were great as we did not abandon the run game. We somehow forced ourselves to be one dimensional in the two losses. I say we forced ourselves because we came out passing, they took the lead, and then we had to rely on the passing game when we were behind. We play the best when we come out running and able to stay 2 dimensional. He doesnt need everything to be perfect but needs the D to stay honest to both parts of the offense

Rely on AS to pass makes the offense 1 dimensional and that's what the AS critics want. They want him to fail. Running the ball only balance the offense out and keep the defense honest and defending the run and the pass. Inserting CK does nothing now, cause every team has tape on him and it disruption AS and the offense.

I disagree. The Kaepernick package overall has been fairly successful, but more to the point, his package takes away probably a full meeting and at least a half a day of practice for opponents.

Opponents need to go over how to defend his package, even if we only use it 2 or 3 plays a game. Everything people call "cute," is another thing to cover during an opponent's few days of game-planning. Even if the plays aren't successful on gameday, they still work, in that they at least detract from the opponent's preparation.

dude I don't know what you've been watching but after initially being a huge success defenses are totally wise to it and snuff it out without fail. The trend is obvious!!!

Well, I'd like to see an overall rate of success for the package, I'm pretty sure it's been successful overall, but we seem to be running it less and less. We ran it one time tonight, just enough to make it another thing the next opponent has to spend time on.
Originally posted by GBNinerFan:
Originally posted by Wrathman:
Originally posted by pitseleh:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by mug0mug:
People went crazy on the "Randy Moss was wide open," play where Alex threw the pick (even Gore was pointing!) after Mayock went so heavy on it, but every angle I've looked at he was under duress, had no window, and there was no easy pass to him. I'd have preferred he just throw it away, run, or take a sack, but he was trying to be aggressive rather than passive, a criticism people constantly pepper him with.

Alex probably thought when he was pointing to Moss that he was calling for the ball. Probably an excuse but really a guy with his arms up 99,999/100,000 is calling the ball.

Who knows, maybe Gore's pointing lead the defender to cut off the pass?

Alexcuses!

That's old and played...come up with something new or stfu please.
You STFU and stop riding Alex's sack! Grow a pair and tell it like it is! AS is weak sauce! You can only baby him for so long, 7 YEARS is enough!!
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Frank Gore:

With the 131 today and the 8095 coming in that equals 8226 total and just passed Herschal Walker for 36th all time

36 more yards to get into 35th place

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm

WOW..thats awesome..good post
How about we stop wrecking the game day thread and you guys take it in the alex smith thread.