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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS MINNESOTA VIKINGS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 3)

Originally posted by welvisdogger:
So I rewatched the game and I think this game is going to help the 49ers. The Vikings did a bunch of things right, but so did our boys. Our game plan on defense was to stay in our base formation but almost play a bear-like defense to cover the edges. The weakness is if AP ever reached the second level, he would be running in the open field. Our 3-4 was awesome against the run in this game. This is probably the best Aldon Smith has ever set the edge that I have seen. AP never reached the second level and Ike and Justin Smith were so physical in this game. Also, Kyle Williams has good vision and did a great job on returns, and our Special Teams blocked well and were very aware of what happened during the returns and also covering Harvin. This is where the good ends. The single biggest goat in this game has to be Tarell Brown, followed closely by the coaching staff. I say coaching staff because Harbaugh and Roman collectively were outcoached. Harbaugh was very conservative on his game management. I thought with the exception of Tarell Brown, the defense actually played pretty awesome. 2 things contributed to the score and yards; 1. The Vikings should never have been past the 40 yard line on the last td, and then Rudolph blatantly held Whitner, and 2. (and more importantly), we had zero pass rush this game. Fangio seems to teach the defense not to over pursue the qb, which usually is fine, but every single time pressure was put on Ponder he either a - ran or b - made a bad decision. Even his 3rd down pass in the first quarter was a bad decision. He was ok because it was an outstanding throw and Aromashodu sat down in the hole in the zone. I really thought Fangio was going to blitz him to death in the 2nd half, and I'll bet when he watches this tape he'll wish he had. Also, Ponder played really, really well. Christian Ponder and Alex Smith are similar qbs in their skill set with the only difference being that Ponder seems to embrace his athleticism. If you watched the game, then you know that Minnesota's O-line pass blocked outstanding. Every time a passing lane shut down, Ponder could step up or traverse and still not be in danger. Alex has a bunch of that as well, but he is always looking downfield. That is a great instinct for a QB to have, but the problem is that most qbs look 10-20 yds downfield and Alex's first read every time when he gets in trouble seems to be the flat. Alex Smith is a major reason we struggled today, but not because of his fumble and interception. Greg Roman gave him very limited opportunities to make plays today, and then he didn't attempt to make plays. He always took the high percentage play. The three and out after Williams long return was one of the worst instances of squandering a momentum-changing opportunity I have ever seen in a football game, and I'm including high school and college. Minnesota's crowd was a factor and Harbaugh twice had a chance to punch the crowd in the mouth on 4th and 1 and both times he kicked. One of those kicks was blocked. This was a terrible game in terms of pure game management. Let's talk about Tarell Brown. I don't think anyone realizes how poorly he played today. The scores weren't blatant, so it wasn't commented on, but he made the Tramaine Brock of preseason look like Darrelle Revis. He was consistently out of position on his responsibilities and he was also getting out ran. Our secondary was tired in this game and Brown should have been benched. He single-handedly gave the Vikings multiple third and longs, and Ponder knew it. The play where Carlos Rogers tripped on the press bump was what Brown looked like all day, just 2 steps behind chasing his man. The refs really affected this game in favor of the Vikings. The two calls on the last Vikings TD were unbelievably bad. But they weren't nearly as bad as Roman's playcalling with 6 minutes left in the game. Crabtree was open in the flats a bunch, and if he drops a pass there, at least the clock stops. Instead he is just feeding it to Gore when the 49ers needed to pick up chunks. Chunks of points and chunks of yards. I believe this was one of the worst games I've seen Alex play and I have always been a supporter of his. To sum all of this up I believe Harbaugh and Roman have a few decisions to make in game management but only one in personnel. T. Brown needed benched at halftime. My question is only this; If they are going to show this type of lack of faith in Alex Smith when we are behind, why not sit him so he doesn't get hurt? They clearly weren't going to allow him to take his shots down the field. It was almost as if they had conceded at the beginning of the fourth quarter that this game was over. I truly don't have any other explanation for what can only be an absolutely head-scratching game plan. I also disagree with everyone that is mad we passed the ball at the beginning of the game. Maybe Harbaugh and Roman thought this was as good of an opportunity as they were going to have to get the passing game going while playing a beatable team. The only problem is that maybe they should have adjusted sooner, once they figured out they were in a dog-fight. Anyway, I want to reiterate one more time, our defense played pretty badass in this game and they were victimized by some bad officiating, and also some really poor play by Tarell Brown. Moreover, if Fangio goes after Ponder more in the second half, I think he turns the ball over. Anyway, I know many of you probably don't care, but I wanted to give an unbiased, unemotional take on this after rewatching. The Minnesota Vikings played great football today, and they deserved to win. I think this is a wake up call. I don't believe in wake up calls being a good thing, but in this case, I hope it is. Anyone reading this, if you rewatch the game, take a look at Tarell Brown and I think you will understand why he is fixing to take up seat numero uno in Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio's doghouse this week. I hope Sopoaga is ok. He was so great today.

Originally posted by niners94:
Just ban him. No need to wait.

Originally posted by welvisdogger:
So I rewatched the game and I think this game is going to help the 49ers. The Vikings did a bunch of things right, but so did our boys. Our game plan on defense was to stay in our base formation but almost play a bear-like defense to cover the edges. The weakness is if AP ever reached the second level, he would be running in the open field. Our 3-4 was awesome against the run in this game. This is probably the best Aldon Smith has ever set the edge that I have seen. AP never reached the second level and Ike and Justin Smith were so physical in this game. Also, Kyle Williams has good vision and did a great job on returns, and our Special Teams blocked well and were very aware of what happened during the returns and also covering Harvin. This is where the good ends. The single biggest goat in this game has to be Tarell Brown, followed closely by the coaching staff. I say coaching staff because Harbaugh and Roman collectively were outcoached. Harbaugh was very conservative on his game management. I thought with the exception of Tarell Brown, the defense actually played pretty awesome. 2 things contributed to the score and yards; 1. The Vikings should never have been past the 40 yard line on the last td, and then Rudolph blatantly held Whitner, and 2. (and more importantly), we had zero pass rush this game. Fangio seems to teach the defense not to over pursue the qb, which usually is fine, but every single time pressure was put on Ponder he either a - ran or b - made a bad decision. Even his 3rd down pass in the first quarter was a bad decision. He was ok because it was an outstanding throw and Aromashodu sat down in the hole in the zone. I really thought Fangio was going to blitz him to death in the 2nd half, and I'll bet when he watches this tape he'll wish he had. Also, Ponder played really, really well. Christian Ponder and Alex Smith are similar qbs in their skill set with the only difference being that Ponder seems to embrace his athleticism. If you watched the game, then you know that Minnesota's O-line pass blocked outstanding. Every time a passing lane shut down, Ponder could step up or traverse and still not be in danger. Alex has a bunch of that as well, but he is always looking downfield. That is a great instinct for a QB to have, but the problem is that most qbs look 10-20 yds downfield and Alex's first read every time when he gets in trouble seems to be the flat. Alex Smith is a major reason we struggled today, but not because of his fumble and interception. Greg Roman gave him very limited opportunities to make plays today, and then he didn't attempt to make plays. He always took the high percentage play. The three and out after Williams long return was one of the worst instances of squandering a momentum-changing opportunity I have ever seen in a football game, and I'm including high school and college. Minnesota's crowd was a factor and Harbaugh twice had a chance to punch the crowd in the mouth on 4th and 1 and both times he kicked. One of those kicks was blocked. This was a terrible game in terms of pure game management. Let's talk about Tarell Brown. I don't think anyone realizes how poorly he played today. The scores weren't blatant, so it wasn't commented on, but he made the Tramaine Brock of preseason look like Darrelle Revis. He was consistently out of position on his responsibilities and he was also getting out ran. Our secondary was tired in this game and Brown should have been benched. He single-handedly gave the Vikings multiple third and longs, and Ponder knew it. The play where Carlos Rogers tripped on the press bump was what Brown looked like all day, just 2 steps behind chasing his man. The refs really affected this game in favor of the Vikings. The two calls on the last Vikings TD were unbelievably bad. But they weren't nearly as bad as Roman's playcalling with 6 minutes left in the game. Crabtree was open in the flats a bunch, and if he drops a pass there, at least the clock stops. Instead he is just feeding it to Gore when the 49ers needed to pick up chunks. Chunks of points and chunks of yards. I believe this was one of the worst games I've seen Alex play and I have always been a supporter of his. To sum all of this up I believe Harbaugh and Roman have a few decisions to make in game management but only one in personnel. T. Brown needed benched at halftime. My question is only this; If they are going to show this type of lack of faith in Alex Smith when we are behind, why not sit him so he doesn't get hurt? They clearly weren't going to allow him to take his shots down the field. It was almost as if they had conceded at the beginning of the fourth quarter that this game was over. I truly don't have any other explanation for what can only be an absolutely head-scratching game plan. I also disagree with everyone that is mad we passed the ball at the beginning of the game. Maybe Harbaugh and Roman thought this was as good of an opportunity as they were going to have to get the passing game going while playing a beatable team. The only problem is that maybe they should have adjusted sooner, once they figured out they were in a dog-fight. Anyway, I want to reiterate one more time, our defense played pretty badass in this game and they were victimized by some bad officiating, and also some really poor play by Tarell Brown. Moreover, if Fangio goes after Ponder more in the second half, I think he turns the ball over. Anyway, I know many of you probably don't care, but I wanted to give an unbiased, unemotional take on this after rewatching. The Minnesota Vikings played great football today, and they deserved to win. I think this is a wake up call. I don't believe in wake up calls being a good thing, but in this case, I hope it is. Anyone reading this, if you rewatch the game, take a look at Tarell Brown and I think you will understand why he is fixing to take up seat numero uno in Jim Harbaugh and Vic Fangio's doghouse this week. I hope Sopoaga is ok. He was so great today.


Hit the return key a few times. Jeeeeezzz. Nobody will read this. Break it into some paragraphs....
Welvisdogger: good stuff but PARAGRAPHS!!!! Please!
OK, we lost one. What really disturbs me is Harbaugh's retreat to the over conservative shell game of last year. They hardly trew the ball down the field at all. Why exactly did they go out and get Moss and Maningham? In fact in the second half the niners looked they they were trying to run the clock out instead of mount a comeback.
Originally posted by MasterChef:
Originally posted by niners94:
Just ban him. No need to wait.


Is that your kid? Be a good parent and shut him up.
[ Edited by niners94 on Sep 23, 2012 at 2:43 PM ]
Too much blame being directed at Alex right now. He wasn't as sharp today as he was the first 2 weeks, and missed Moss for an easy score. That still doesn't explain our lack of execution in all phases of the game today.

Did Alex allow the Vikings to score on 4th down the 1st drive of the game?

Did Alex repeatedly miss open field tackles and allow the ball carrier to drive him backwards?

Did Alex fail to block his man on the field goal unit, leading to Akers' blocked kick?

Did Alex fail to contain Ponder from scrambling outside the pocket?

Did Alex allow the Vikings offense to convert on damn near every 3rd down?

Answer these questions and reassess whether you want to put today's loss entirely on Alex's shoulders.
Originally posted by donttread:
OK, we lost one. What really disturbs me is Harbaugh's retreat to the over conservative shell game of last year. They hardly trew the ball down the field at all. Why exactly did they go out and get Moss and Maningham? In fact in the second half the niners looked they they were trying to run the clock out instead of mount a comeback.

Depth at WR, we had none.
Originally posted by MasterChef:

Perhaps you should have.
Originally posted by donttread:
OK, we lost one. What really disturbs me is Harbaugh's retreat to the over conservative shell game of last year. They hardly trew the ball down the field at all. Why exactly did they go out and get Moss and Maningham? In fact in the second half the niners looked they they were trying to run the clock out instead of mount a comeback.


Maybe Alice just "killed" the deep pass plays at the line of scrimmage that Harbaugh called.
Banned
[ Edited by English on Sep 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM ]
Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Originally posted by donttread:
OK, we lost one. What really disturbs me is Harbaugh's retreat to the over conservative shell game of last year. They hardly trew the ball down the field at all. Why exactly did they go out and get Moss and Maningham? In fact in the second half the niners looked they they were trying to run the clock out instead of mount a comeback.

Depth at WR, we had none.

besides crabtree, still feels like we have none
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Too much blame being directed at Alex right now. He wasn't as sharp today as he was the first 2 weeks, and missed Moss for an easy score. That still doesn't explain our lack of execution in all phases of the game today.

Did Alex allow the Vikings to score on 4th down the 1st drive of the game?

Did Alex repeatedly miss open field tackles and allow the ball carrier to drive him backwards?

Did Alex fail to block his man on the field goal unit, leading to Akers' blocked kick?

Did Alex fail to contain Ponder from scrambling outside the pocket?

Did Alex allow the Vikings offense to convert on damn near every 3rd down?

Answer these questions and reassess whether you want to put today's loss entirely on Alex's shoulders.

To be fair the guy was blocked he just got a hand up and Akers kicked it a little lower than he should have. Not going against your point though of course.
The D was surprisingly lacking in aggression. There were so many times that they seemed to be just standing around and waiting for someone to fill a hole. Did they fly into Minneapolis this morning? Seemed like it.

Put the remote down and step away from the TV...go for a walk...breath...have a libation...then think about next week! NYJ!
lol, that was a nice gif