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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. GREEN BAY PACKERS GAMEDAY THREAD (Week 1)

We got the toughest mutts in the NFL. Not ordinary junkyard dogs. These are unneutered landfill mutts. Aaron Rodgers will make a nice roast for them to gnaw on.
Originally posted by mkeniner:
-Packers fans make sure to stress that the defense gave up yards because they were playing with a lead but then in the same breath mention the turnovers as if playing with a lead didn't impact those. The reason the Packers got so many turnovers was precisely because they were playing with a lead so much - teams pressed, took risks, passed the ball more and did more reckless things in an attempt to score points. Can't have it both ways - either the defense owns the yards and turnovers or it owns neither.
-LOL on counting on a bunch of rookies to make a noteworthy difference in the first game of the season. Good luck with that.
-LOL at comparing DJ Smith, a backup linebacker forced to start, to Sam Mills. He was a backup for a reason.



-No question the Packers offense is fantastic, and nobody here has questioned that for one second. With that said, the Packers offense feasted on lousy defenses throughout 2011. They played 9 (Denver Minnesota St. Louis Detroit New Orleans NY Giants Carolina Oakland Tampa Bay) of the 13 worst defenses in yards per game, and one of those 13 teams was the Packers. Meanwhile, they did not play a single top 10 defense in yards/game. Not ONE.
-If you look at points/game instead, the trend is similar. The Packers played 9 of the bottom 11 defenses in points/game. They didn't play a single defense ranked in the top 10 in points/game. Again, not ONE.
-Granted, the fact that the Packers played these teams will skew their defensive stats a tiny bit (1/16 worth, or 1/8 for divisional opponents), but the trend is extreme and would be there just the same if you took out games against the Packers and recalculated these stats.

-The two best defenses (in yards/game) the Packers played were Kansas City (#11) and Atlanta (#12). They went 1-1 in those game, and averaged 19.5 points.
-The 49ers were 4th in yards/game and 2nd in points/game. They're better than the Giants were in the playoffs last season, and the Giants limited the Packers to 20 points despite several calls that went GB's way and ended up having scoring implications.
-The Packers have not played a defense like the 49ers since at least 2010. You don't have the perspective to realize the impact that good defense can have on an offense. After Sunday, you will have that perspective.



-The 49ers have a nasty D-Line, you saying otherwise is indicative of your knowledge level. If you're going to troll the opponent's forum, you really ought to bring it in terms of having an idea of what the heck you're talking about.
-IMO the Saints by playoffs time were a better team than the Packers. Better pass protection, better (slightly) defense, much better TE and RBs, who are the ones who made nearly all the big plays in that playoff game. Meanwhile, the Packers lost at home by 17 (despite favorable refereeing, as discussed) to a team that the 49ers took to overtime. Meh. 2012 is not 2011 at the end of the day, but for reasons described, your arguments blow.
-Comparing the 2006 Bears to the 2011 49ers is apt IMO. I think you're right about that. Will 2012 Alex Smith + plus 2012 49ers WRs be better than Rex Grossman and whoever the heck he was throwing to? I sure hope so and think so, but it has yet to be seen.
-The Packers gave up over 20 points 9 times in 2011 (10 if you include the playoffs). They scored 42 or more points six times (all to defense ranked at or below average in yards/game). The 49ers gave up 27 or more points three times in 2011. They scored 20 or more points 11 times, against many defenses better than the Packers. Based on last season, your prediction is objectively ridiculous.

This will be a close game that will hinge on turnovers and on Alex Smith's ability (or lack thereof) to exploit a bad defense, convert 3rd downs, and score touchdowns in the red zone. I think it's a pretty even matchup, and might be the best matchup in the NFL this season.

Enjoy the game!

This is awesome, nice job. Love the bolded part.
We'll know just how good S.F. really is after this one. I think the 9ers match up well against the Packers but if I was betting my money I would probably put it on Green Bay in week one.
Defense wins championships and we have a swarming D that has speed and relentlessness unlike last time we played you. And we have superior coaching staff across the board.Don't be surprised if we knock Aaron Rodgers out of the game. That should be your biggest hope is that we can't get to him, but I think it worries you a bit because your ol is average. And we have a stud in Aldon Smith. You probably never heard of him so don't worry about him. Ha!
And what? Aaron Rodgers has never played a good defense before? He played against a better defense in the Super Bowl and hung 31 points on them along with 300+ yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 100+ QB Rating.

Its all about the QB. The last 9 Super Bowls were won by the following QBs; Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady. Its the most important position in all of sports and Rodgers is the best in the business. You can't downplay that. I think it will be a competitive hard fought game but in the end I think Rodgers will make more plays than Alex Smith. He isn't like other QBs in the NFL. He doesn't rattle easily and is difficult to contain in the offense. His internal time-clock is impeccable and he has an uncanny feel for the rush and escaping pressure. The right side of the line is pretty stout and those guys do a good job of providing escape alleys for Rodgers. The LT is a bit of a liability but Rodgers tends to move to his right anyway.
[ Edited by strat1080 on Sep 4, 2012 at 9:58 AM ]
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It will be a close game either way.
He lit up a better defensive unit than the 49ers in the Super Bowl dude. That 2010 Steelers defense was one of the best defenses of the past 10+ years. They gave up just 68 YPG at 3.0 YPC and allowed the 2nd lowest opposing QB Rating in the league. A more complete defense than the 49ers. A stout run-stopping DL, two premiere edge rushers in Woodley and Harrison, and then a solid secondary with one of the best players in the game at Safety. A legendary DC in Dick Lebeau.

Did you watch that Chiefs game? The Packers lost both of their starting Tackles in the same game after they were already missing their starting LT to begin with. The Packers WRs and TEs dropped a bunch of passes in that game. Its funny that so many people want to point out the Chiefs and Giants games and forget the 21 wins out of the Packers previous 23 games. Seriously, in the Chiefs and Giants game the Packers offense was simply sloppy. The Giants didn't lay a whooping on the Packers. The score says that. The Box Score doesn't. The Packers possessed the ball more, had more 1st downs, and outrushed the Giants in that game almost 2:1. The Packers dropped more passes in that game than any team did all season and they also turned over the ball 4 times. Something they hadn't done in years. It was simpy a very uncharacteristic game for the Packers. The Packers actually beat the Giants in most gameday stats. You can't win when you turnover the ball four times though.
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Go, Niners, go!
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
i have a feeling we will be running a lot this game

the packers can not stop the run AT ALL i mean at all its literally sad

i think we run 30 times and only pass it maybe around 20-25

i have never seen such a bad run defense in my life


Dating back to 2010, the Packers give the illusion that they are a poor run defense. In most cases where they have to stop the run they excel at it. Remember the opening game against the Saints last year. The Packers stuffed the Saints a bunch of times on 3rd and short and goal line situation. The Saints even got a free play on the 1 yard line at the end of the game. That's a pretty stout Saints interior OL and a top-notch running game. The Packers stuffed them all game long.

The Packers will give up a fairly YPC but you don't really see very many big rushing performances against them because more times than not they are playign with a lead in their nickel package and the other team will have some success with selective running and rip off a few 6-8+ yard runs when they are down by double digits late in the game.

I think you are severely exagerrating that you have never seen a worse run defense. Dude, they aren't that bad. People overhype how bad the defense is. They were middle of the pack in PPG and were tied wtih the 49ers for most turnovers in the NFL. They had their flaws last year but you can't go 15-1 with a truly awful defense. They make their share of game changing plays. I constantly see fans salivating at the mouth about playing such a "terrible defense" only to be stunned when their QB throws three picks. Don't sleep on the Packers defense. Its not nearly as bad as you think it is. The Packers had a defense in 2010 every bit as good as the 49ers did in 2011. Things change year to year. Just because the 49ers were stout on defense last year doesn't mean they will this year. A couple of key injuries can totally change the outlook on a season. If anything I would say that 2010 Packers defense was better because they excelled at shutting down good QBs. They held a red-hot Tom Brady to just 160 passing yards. A guy that was carving up the league in a historically good passing season. They held the vaunted Patriots offense to 136 net passing yards. They held the Eagles to 171 net passing yards.
Well the UK TV deal has just been agreed, that's Sunday night sorted then


http://www1.skysports.com/american-football/news/12118/8051071/NFL-on-Sky-Sports
Originally posted by strat1080:
Blah blah blah, I'm bringing up 2010 like it matters. Blah blah blah the Packers never get beat, they're always the best team, they give away every loss they suffer. (paraphrasing)

Doesn't really merit further response.
Originally posted by strat1080:
Dating back to 2010, the Packers give the illusion that they are a poor run defense. In most cases where they have to stop the run they excel at it. Remember the opening game against the Saints last year. The Packers stuffed the Saints a bunch of times on 3rd and short and goal line situation. The Saints even got a free play on the 1 yard line at the end of the game. That's a pretty stout Saints interior OL and a top-notch running game. The Packers stuffed them all game long.



Wow, you were able to stop the world famous Saints power rushing game? I can't even remember who their QB is because all the Saints do is run run run. I can't believe the Packers cheese curtain was able to stop them.
Rodgers on Alex Smith...
Originally posted by strat1080:
Dating back to 2010, the Packers give the illusion that they are a poor run defense. In most cases where they have to stop the run they excel at it. Remember the opening game against the Saints last year. The Packers stuffed the Saints a bunch of times on 3rd and short and goal line situation. The Saints even got a free play on the 1 yard line at the end of the game. That's a pretty stout Saints interior OL and a top-notch running game. The Packers stuffed them all game long.

The Packers will give up a fairly YPC but you don't really see very many big rushing performances against them because more times than not they are playign with a lead in their nickel package and the other team will have some success with selective running and rip off a few 6-8+ yard runs when they are down by double digits late in the game.

I think you are severely exagerrating that you have never seen a worse run defense. Dude, they aren't that bad. People overhype how bad the defense is. They were middle of the pack in PPG and were tied wtih the 49ers for most turnovers in the NFL. They had their flaws last year but you can't go 15-1 with a truly awful defense. They make their share of game changing plays. I constantly see fans salivating at the mouth about playing such a "terrible defense" only to be stunned when their QB throws three picks. Don't sleep on the Packers defense. Its not nearly as bad as you think it is. The Packers had a defense in 2010 every bit as good as the 49ers did in 2011. Things change year to year. Just because the 49ers were stout on defense last year doesn't mean they will this year. A couple of key injuries can totally change the outlook on a season. If anything I would say that 2010 Packers defense was better because they excelled at shutting down good QBs. They held a red-hot Tom Brady to just 160 passing yards. A guy that was carving up the league in a historically good passing season. They held the vaunted Patriots offense to 136 net passing yards. They held the Eagles to 171 net passing yards.

The packers gave up the most yards ever in 2011, how have they improved since then? This post is laughable trying to say that the pack had a better defense than the Niners, you lost credibility there.
Originally posted by strat1080:
Defense wins championships and we have a swarming D that has speed and relentlessness unlike last time we played you. And we have superior coaching staff across the board.Don't be surprised if we knock Aaron Rodgers out of the game. That should be your biggest hope is that we can't get to him, but I think it worries you a bit because your ol is average. And we have a stud in Aldon Smith. You probably never heard of him so don't worry about him. Ha!
And what? Aaron Rodgers has never played a good defense before? He played against a better defense in the Super Bowl and hung 31 points on them along with 300+ yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 100+ QB Rating.

Its all about the QB. The last 9 Super Bowls were won by the following QBs; Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady. Its the most important position in all of sports and Rodgers is the best in the business. You can't downplay that. I think it will be a competitive hard fought game but in the end I think Rodgers will make more plays than Alex Smith. He isn't like other QBs in the NFL. He doesn't rattle easily and is difficult to contain in the offense. His internal time-clock is impeccable and he has an uncanny feel for the rush and escaping pressure. The right side of the line is pretty stout and those guys do a good job of providing escape alleys for Rodgers. The LT is a bit of a liability but Rodgers tends to move to his right anyway.

that turns into a huge liability going against justin & aldon smith.......................

we beat Eli, Brees, and (injured) Big ben last year also.

Rodgers making more plays than Alex is probably a given (game manager? who cares the niners are a complete team), but the niners will rely on the run more than anything. Gore is aging, but the depth/variety at RB is what makes the niners more unique on O.

(i say "probably a given" only because although we did upgrade at WR, i don't know how much we'll deviate from last years style because of it. and who knows, maybe Urban Meyer's "once he gets it, he gets it" comment will finally come true.)

we'll probably give up a lot of passing yards, probably close to 350 range. did it a lot all of last season. but that's usually part of the plan. Make opponent one dimensional, then beat up the QB.

i'm not dismissing the pack though because "their D suxx." the players are still there. but this game can go either way. final score should be within one score.
Am I a little concerned about Rodgers and the Packers passing attack? Sure I think most Niner fans are.

But for a Packer fan to come in here boasting how they can stop our rush and how all of the sudden they're a good run stopping team is complete denial and stupidity. Packers fanssshould be worried about only having the ball for like 10 minutes the whole game. Cue packer fan saying "that's all we'll need."

Lol keep dreaming. Why don't you guys say what you really think. That it will be a hard fought game that will be closer than anyone thinks.