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Stock Up or Down? Updated through all 4 games

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
We need to find a way to keep and develop Owusu and Tyms.

Excited to keep watching them both through the pre-season. Owusu made a couple people miss on two different receptions. Tyms looks the part, but need to see more of him.

It sounds like Palmer has started to slow down in practice as Tyms has heated up.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Why would we keep Cartwright or Dixon?

Cartwright can actually run for positive yards, where Dixon can't.

And no way James would be cut, he wouldn't pass waivers. Teams don't cut high draft picks in year 1, unless they are horrid.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Cartwright can actually run for positive yards, where Dixon can't.


Most of the credit goes to the O-line, but Cartwright looked pretty good running the ball. His patience and vision (in particular) were both pleasant surprises.
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Cartwright can actually run for positive yards, where Dixon can't.

Most of the credit goes to the O-line, but Cartwright looked pretty good running the ball. His patience and vision (in particular) were both pleasant surprises.

50-50, both played great, Cartwright can run and is speedy, I can't see any reason he doesn't make the roster.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Cartwright can actually run for positive yards, where Dixon can't.

Most of the credit goes to the O-line, but Cartwright looked pretty good running the ball. His patience and vision (in particular) were both pleasant surprises.

50-50, both played great, Cartwright can run and is speedy, I can't see any reason he doesn't make the roster.

+ 1 to both posts. I didn't expect the quickness that Cartwright showed me in that game. Want to see more.
Here's a quick 53 man mock, based only off of one game. We can make it work if we don't carry 3 TE's and use Dobbs as the 3rd one. Definitely some tough decisions, but having this much talent is a very very good thing. I could also see us going with only 8 OL to free up a spot for another player.

QB: Smith, Kap, Tolzein
RB/FB: Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, Cartwright
WR: Crabs, Moss, 'Rio, Ginn, Jenkins, Williams
OT: Staley, AD, Person
G/C: Boone, Iupati, Goodwin, Kilgore, L Davis, Looney
TE: VD, Walker

DE: Smith, McDonald, Tukuafu, Dobbs (also 3rd TE)
NT: Sopoaga, RJF, Williams
OLB: Smith, Brooks, Haralson, Bakhtiari
ILB: Willis, Bowman, Grant, Gooden
CB: Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Cox, Brock
S: Goldson, Whitner, Spillman, Robinson

ST: Akers, Lee, Jennings
[ Edited by AllTimeGreat on Aug 11, 2012 at 12:59 PM ]
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Here's a quick 53 man mock, based only off of one game. We can make it work if we don't carry 3 TE's and use Dobbs as the 3rd one. Definitely some tough decisions, but having this much talent is a very very good thing. I could also see us going with only 8 OL to free up a spot for another player.

QB: Smith, Kap, Tolzein
RB/FB: Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, Cartwright
WR: Crabs, Moss, 'Rio, Ginn, Jenkins, Williams
OT: Staley, AD, Person
G/C: Boone, Iupati, Goodwin, Kilgore, L Davis, Looney
TE: VD, Walker

DE: Smith, McDonald, Tukuafu, Dobbs (also 3rd TE)
NT: Sopoaga, RJF, Williams
OLB: Smith, Brooks, Haralson, Bakhtiari
ILB: Willis, Bowman, Grant, Gooden
CB: Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Cox, Brock
S: Goldson, Whitner, Spillman, Robinson

ST: Akers, Lee, Jennings

Quick look through, but I think you nailed it.
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

You knocked it out of the park, big dog!
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
We need to find a way to keep and develop Owusu and Tyms.

Excited to keep watching them both through the pre-season. Owusu made a couple people miss on two different receptions. Tyms looks the part, but need to see more of him.

It sounds like Palmer has started to slow down in practice as Tyms has heated up.

Tyms is just a huge target out there and Owusu was excellent as well. Palmer had a huge drop down the field but was otherwise OK as a backup. Will be interesting to see who sticks on the practice squad. Depth is so much better than years past. Exciting stuff!
[ Edited by m_brockalexander on Aug 11, 2012 at 1:18 PM ]
Originally posted by sfout:
Originally posted by VA49er:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by VA49er:
AFTER GAME 1:

Anthony Dixon - Stock Down - Totally agree. His playing fullback is showing he's desperate to make this team some how some way. Dixon just continues to play below his potential. He plays hard, which is why he does well on special teams, but not smart. He just doesn't make good reads with the ball.

Rock Cartwright - Stock the same/slight uptick. He is taking Dixon's job for sure. Hard to imagine us carrying Cartwright, Gore, Jacobs, James, and Hunter. Five backs? To be honest the temptation for me would be to cut James. Too bad James can't be hidden on the practice squad. Cartwright might become a luxury.

Eric Bakhtiari - Stock Up - Stock was way up. He wasn't playing top tier guys but he sure got to the passer very well and had a high motor at OLB. Can he cover?

Demarcus Dobbs - Stock Up - Wearing#40 tells me this guys roster spot is a lock. I think we have plans for him on offense.

Perrish Cox - Stock the same -He stood out because he picked the ball off and he made some good hits. Looks like he'll make the team.

WRs -
Owusu -Stock up. This guys is making a case not to be cut. It's hard to imagine him making the team though. Who do you cut? Moss Crabs Williams Ginn and Jenkins should make the team. I think Owusu is probably 6 right now. You can probably hide others on the PS.

AJ Jenkins - I was impressed enough and will be patient with a 1st round pick. He ran good routes. Had a late ball from Kaep. Made a nice catch. He'll settle down. I actually like Owusu better right now though.

All other wideouts=stock down. Somebody has to be cut and though they looked nice but nobody made a case to bump Jenkins. Which is what you have to do based on what I saw from Owusu. I think we keep 6 May the best 6 win. Hopefully we have some depth on the PS.

Scott Tolzien - Stock Up - I trust this guy to run the O. He deserves to be on the team. He flashes some serious potential. No way we keep Kaep and Johnson. People forget that Smith ain't bad on his feet either. Johnson is probably on the outs right now.

Colin Kaepernick - Stock the same. -Great run but he has not shown he deserves to be the #1. I'm also not convinced he's the #2. But I'd rather sharpen his skills than Johnson at this point.

LaMichael James - Stock down. -Does he really do anything that Hunter Can't?

.Konrad Reuland - Stock Up - Mostly because Byham didn't play because of his injury. We have lots of extra blockers but Reuland provides a pass catching threat. Can he play FB? We go with three TEs.

Brandon Jacobs - Stock Up - Old self? He has never looked like he was in this kind of shape. He is complicating the backfield more than anyone. Can we keep 5 RBs?

Alex Boone - Stock Up - Love this guy. Totally biased. I'm only seeing good.

Leonard Davis.-Stock up. ?? Can this guy play tackle? I mean if he can play two positions he's great depth.

KENDALL HUNTER!! STOCK UP!! Great game. Looks good. Looked like a starter.

ALEX SMITH-stock up. Looked great on the opening drive. Was sharp, made a great decision and read in the redzone which made the throw secondary.

KYLE WILLIAMS-STOCK UP. Loved that he started at PR. He looked good back there and confident. He also played well at wideout. I know he had a bad day @ the NFC-C but he is going to make this team.
Couple comments.

1. I think you're forgetting about Manningham. Don't really see a spot for any of the UDFA WR's on the 53. Hopefully 2 of Palmer, Tynes, and Owusu can make it onto the practice squad.

2. Keeping 5 backs isn't unheard of. Last year we kept 5. No way we cut James. There is just no way. Given how much we run the ball, I don't think it's unreasonable. I think it comes down to Dixon and Cartwright for the final RB spot. Both are great special teams players but it comes down to how well they can run the ball. Based on where they entered the game, I think Cartwright has the clear edge at this point.
You are absolutely correct. I totally forgot manningham. He makes it hard for any of the young noobs at wideout. That's going to be a tough call and we're going to loose a good wideout after waivers.

At HB we had Gore, Hunter, Dixon, and who else? I wasn't counting Miller. He makes four and then Norris was five. My assumption at this point is that Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, Cartwright, and James are all competing. Miller is a lock. So that would be 6 backs. Either way that is one more than last year right? Gore, Hunter, Jacobs, James, Miller, and Cartwright/Dixon? is 6 backs is a lot on a 53 man roster.

Cut James? Are you crazy? Yes cut the 60th overall pick after 3 carries in the preseason.....

Dobbs' versatility frees up a 6 spot at wr. So by subtracting 1 full time te were set wr. Then if you think about we carried 5 ilbs last season, this season were carrying 4 so theoretically we can simply make Cartwright the new costanzo. Jacobs will take Dixon's spot. James will take Norris' old spot. I know it's more complex then that because I haven't mentioned the whole roster but the challenge isn't carrying 6 rb/fbs and 6 wrs, the challenge will be figuring out who will be active on gamedays.

James is still learning and also has to build his strength up to make it at this level. Cut him? Absolutely not. You can't teach his speed or elusiveness so he sticks.

Love what I saw out of Hunter, Jacobs, Courtwright, Dobbs, and the entire o-line. Our rookie WR's also look good. Our offense has so many more weapons than in year's past. Good problem to have.
Hopefully we can stash Owusu on the PS.
Originally posted by OldJoe:
The stock for the whole team is up. Compare this to N.O. last year. We were thinking "oh no, here we go again".

Tonight we were thinking "oh yeah, here we go again".

Lmao @ people wanting to cut LMJ after one preseason game.
Nice post , but I would like to see the good and bad seperated. Not just all ran together in one paragraph.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Why would we keep Cartwright or Dixon?
carwright, captain of special teams, good back up running back/fullback, good back up kick returner, great locker room vet, I had hoped dixon would bust it when they signed jacobs, if last nights game was any indication,, he did not , he will be gone and i am ok with that

Is Cartwright really captain of special teams? I thought the captains weren't announced yet.

Keeping 6 RBs is a tough call.