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ABs 2nd 53 man and 8 man P-Squad roster prediciton

AB,
Great work and creates good reactions. But your point is that Cartwright makes the team over K. Williams and is active over Hunter. That doesn't pass the smell test.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
since when is rushing for 1200 yards (his 2nd best season) average?

Since he broke almost no tackles at all, clearly is losing speed, dropped almost every pass that came his way and even missed more blocking assignments than he would normally (perhaps due to the new offense). He got some great blocking at times last year and really didn't take great advantage of it. Stats are misleading. He wasn't very good last year, one of his worst.

He at least still has his vision.
[ Edited by Evilgenius on Jun 1, 2012 at 10:53 AM ]
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
It would be a bad joke on us if SD picks him back up on waivers, especially when they cut him and knew they made a mistake.

Not really. He wont play for either team in the regular season. People get too excited about players who play well in preseason. Such as Glenn Coffee, Kory Sheets, Anthony Dixon all being better than Gore.
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Originally posted by Evilgenius:
Since he broke almost no tackles at all, clearly is losing speed, dropped almost every pass that came his way and even missed more blocking assignments than he would normally (perhaps due to the new offense). He got some great blocking at times last year and really didn't take great advantage of it. Stats are misleading. He wasn't very good last year, one of his worst.

He at least still has his vision.

He wasn't that bad but he definitely is overrated on this board. He's a solid back but not irreplaceable.
AB, in the upcoming years, who will be cut/released that will give us salary cap relief? Goodwin and maybe Goldson, and I'd be shocked if Jacobs is around next year.

Or will Willis' big salary this year provide buffer?
big dix > cartwright
Well thought out post and interesting takes.

Talk about tough decisions!

Jacobs is a question mark for me. He was VERY unimpressive last season! He'd have to make a dramatic improvement. He's not a whole lot better than Dancing With the Stars Dixon.
We already lost one OLB to injury. Haralson makes the team because he provides great depth on the best LBs crew in the NFL.
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The arguement can be made that either Grant or Gooden could sub in at OLB if needed,
with that said, I still think Haralson makes the 53, Cam Johnson mostly inactive on game days

Fleming will eventually take Haralson spot, but not till 2013

Cartwright makes it too, he takes over Costanzo's job of special teams leader, I doubt he gets many offensive snaps

I doubt C.Jones makes it, Niners added guys like Robinson and Cox who can take over his role on special teams
and they both offer much more upside as position players

Im not sure ive ever seen a Niner 53 with less then 9 OL, I doubt the Niners take that risk
even though we may end up with some pretty good talent on the practice sqd

K'Williams makes the 53, We need 6, WR's get dinged up easy, he also will be the backup return specialist

I'd like to see Hampton pass by Jacobs and Dixon, a couple years from now James, Hunter an Hampton will make for a solid RB rotation
which Harb's will evolve that position into
[ Edited by cools on Jun 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM ]
Originally posted by Evilgenius:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
since when is rushing for 1200 yards (his 2nd best season) average?

Since he broke almost no tackles at all, clearly is losing speed, dropped almost every pass that came his way and even missed more blocking assignments than he would normally (perhaps due to the new offense). He got some great blocking at times last year and really didn't take great advantage of it. Stats are misleading. He wasn't very good last year, one of his worst.

He at least still has his vision.


He was 6th in the league in rushing. 4.3 ypc (career avg. is 4.6), 1200 yards, 5 straight games over 100 yards, had 8 TDs (had the same amount his 2006 season and has only gone over that total one time in his career. 2009 he had 10). Don't see how that was one of his worst seasons. he had huge games against the eagles (8.5 ypc), lions (9.4) and a healthy 5.6 ypc in the playoffs.

[ Edited by monsterzero789 on Jun 3, 2012 at 9:26 AM ]
I think they have to carry 9 OL, as well. If Boone starts, Kilgore, Person and two others may only have one true NFL snap amongst the reserves.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

This. Haralson and Williams make the team.

Haralson need to take a pay cut in order to fit under the cap. Once season begins its no longer top 51, it's 53 and 8 man p-squad, plus IR and PUP players if any. We would have only 1.7M if we keep Haralson at his current figure.

Williams is expendable. We dont need a 6th WR. He won't ever see the field. Won't be active, didn't keep all 5 last year active, always was 4(including Ginn).


They put quite a bit of emphasis on WR this off season so I doubt they will only have four active (I believe one FB will make a spot available). Williams will have to out duel several really promising rookies though. Haralson seems a lock to me over Eric Bakhtiari. They can play with a few contracts to keep him.

You mention going from 51 to 53 once the season starts?
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jun 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

This. Haralson and Williams make the team.

Haralson need to take a pay cut in order to fit under the cap. Once season begins its no longer top 51, it's 53 and 8 man p-squad, plus IR and PUP players if any. We would have only 1.7M if we keep Haralson at his current figure.

Williams is expendable. We dont need a 6th WR. He won't ever see the field. Won't be active, didn't keep all 5 last year active, always was 4(including Ginn).


They put quite a bit of emphasis on WR this off season so I doubt they will only have four active (I believe one FB will make a spot available). Williams will have to out duel several really promising rookies though. Haralson seems a lock to me over Eric Bakhtiari. They can play with a few contracts to keep him.

You mention going from 51 to 53 once the season starts?

Right now only the top 51 salaries count against the cap, not all 90 players. Once season begins, or hence cut downs take place, all players count, thus less cap space for the team.

The team will activate all 5 WRs(Moss,Crabs, Manningham, Jenkins and Ginn) on game days. But a 6th isnt needed, he will never see the field, especially if we want to get Jenkins into the game.

It's never a good idea to play with contracts. 1st the player may not want to redo it, and 2nd never good for future caps. Best player to do a redo is Justin Smith as part of a extension.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Right now only the top 51 salaries count against the cap, not all 90 players. Once season begins, or hence cut downs take place, all players count, thus less cap space for the team.

The team will activate all 5 WRs(Moss,Crabs, Manningham, Jenkins and Ginn) on game days. But a 6th isnt needed, he will never see the field, especially if we want to get Jenkins into the game.

It's never a good idea to play with contracts. 1st the player may not want to redo it, and 2nd never good for future caps. Best player to do a redo is Justin Smith as part of a extension.


Thanks for the info re 51! I was thinking of extension when talking about redoing the contracts and there are a number of guys they may want to lock up--Bowman, J Smith, etc.

As for Williams--I agree about the first five but they thought they had the position in decent shape last year until injuries created openings. I believe the 9ers will have an interesting camp with several rookies aside from Jenkins all looking for a break. If one of the vets goes down the team will still have some good options...Williams may have the edge.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Right now only the top 51 salaries count against the cap, not all 90 players. Once season begins, or hence cut downs take place, all players count, thus less cap space for the team.

The team will activate all 5 WRs(Moss,Crabs, Manningham, Jenkins and Ginn) on game days. But a 6th isnt needed, he will never see the field, especially if we want to get Jenkins into the game.

It's never a good idea to play with contracts. 1st the player may not want to redo it, and 2nd never good for future caps. Best player to do a redo is Justin Smith as part of a extension.


Thanks for the info re 51! I was thinking of extension when talking about redoing the contracts and there are a number of guys they may want to lock up--Bowman, J Smith, etc.

As for Williams--I agree about the first five but they thought they had the position in decent shape last year until injuries created openings. I believe the 9ers will have an interesting camp with several rookies aside from Jenkins all looking for a break. If one of the vets goes down the team will still have some good options...Williams may have the edge.

No prob, not ruling out Williams, but I think it's a long shot right now we keep 6 WRs.

Top 51 counts for a reason, if all 90 counted every team would be over the cap. It's a weird number, you would think it would be top 53, but it's top 51, plus dead money, and non top 51 bonuses.