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ABs 2nd 53 man and 8 man P-Squad roster prediciton

First thoughts, I cut Haralson as I did with my first go around, because his salary is too high to keep, wouldn't leave us any cap room to breathe with.

I also cut Tolzien, and don't expect him to clear waivers, if so he is brought back for P-Squad.

But here it is, my 2nd go at the 53 man and 8 man P-Squad.

2012 Roster:

QB(3): 11 Alex Smith, 7 Colin Kaepernick, 1 Josh Johnson
RB(4): 21 Frank Gore, 23 LaMichael James, 45 Brandon Jacobs, 32 Kendall Hunter
FB(1): 49 Bruce Miller
WR(4): 15 Michael Crabtree, 84 Randy Moss, 14 Mario Manningham, 17 A.J. Jenkins
TE(3): 85 Vernon Davis, 46 Delanie Walker, 82 Nate Byham
C(1): 59 Jonathan Goodwin
OG(4): 77 Mike Iupati, 67 Daniel Kilgore, 66 Joe Looney, 78 Mike Person
OT(3): 74 Joe Staley, 76 Anthony Davis, 75 Alex Boone

DE(4): 94 Justin Smith, 91 Ray McDonald, 92 Will Tukuafu, 96 Demarcus Dobbs
NT(3): 90 Isaac Sopoaga, 95 Ricky Jean Francois, 93 Ian Williams
OLB(4): 55 Ahmad Brooks, 99 Aldon Smith, 50 Cam Johnson, 0 Eric Bakhtiari
ILB(4): 52 Patrick Willis, 53 NaVorro Bowman, 54 Larry Grant, 56 Tavares Gooden
CB(5): 22 Carlos Rogers, 25 Tarell Brown, 29 Chris Culliver, 20 Perrish Cox, 26 Tramaine Brock
S(4): 38 Dashon Goldson, 31 Donte Whitner, 27 C.J. Spillman, 30 Trenton Robinson

ST(6): 2 David Akers, 4 Andy Lee, 86 Brian Jennings, 19 Ted Ginn Jr., 28 Rock Cartwright, 43 Colin Jones

Gameday Inactives: QB Johnson, RB Hunter, OG Person, DE Dobbs, NT Williams, CB Brock and S Robinson

IR(1): OLB 58 Darius Fleming

PS(8): RB 33 Hampton, WR 81 Owusu, WR 89 Palmer, C 62 Slowey, OT 71 Hall, DE 71 Masifilo, OLB 51 Holland and CB 41 Holcomb

2012 Cap Numbers:

# Name Pos. Signed 2012 Salary
52 Willis, Patrick ILB 2016 $17,642,287
11 Smith, Alex QB 2014 $9,255,580
85 Davis, Vernon TE 2015 $8,023,246
94 Smith, Justin DE 2013 $6,380,580
38 Goldson, Dashon FS 2012 $6,212,000
21 Gore, Frank RB 2014 $6,005,580
22 Rogers, Carlos CB 2015 $5,505,580
15 Crabtree, Michael WR 2014 $5,364,580
90 Sopoaga, Isaac NT 2012 $4,960,580
31 Whitner, Donte SS 2013 $4,388,913
91 McDonald, Ray DE 2015 $4,155,580
59 Goodwin, Jonathan C 2013 $3,722,247
2 Akers, David PK 2013 $3,622,247
99 Smith, Aldon OLB 2014 $3,274,671
76 Davis, Anthony RT 2014 $3,197,246
55 Brooks, Ahmad OLB 2017 $2,855,580
74 Staley, Joe LT 2017 $2,700,580
14 Manningham, Mario WR 2013 $2,555,580
84 Moss, Randy WR 2012 $2,505,580
77 Iupati, Mike LG 2014 $2,036,580
46 Walker, Delanie TE 2012 $2,010,580
4 Lee, Andy P 2018 $1,907,248
25 Brown, Tarell CB 2013 $1,736,330
45 Jacobs, Brandon RB 2012 $1,580,580
19 Ginn Jr., Ted WR 2012 $1,380,580
54 Grant, Larry ILB 2012 $1,265,580
17 Jenkins, A.J. WR 2015 $1,262,500
7 Kaepernick, Colin QB 2014 $1,170,193
86 Jennings, Brian LS 2014 $1,151,580
27 Spillman, C.J. SS 2014 $1,085,580
28 Cartwright, Rock RB 2012 $955,580
75 Boone, Alex RT 2015 $935,580
1 Johnson, Josh QB 2013 $880,580
53 Bowman, NaVorro ILB 2013 $721,142
56 Gooden, Tavares ILB 2012 $705,580
95 Jean Francois, Ricky NT 2012 $631,330
29 Culliver, Chris CB 2014 $620,299
23 James, LaMichael RB 2015 $603,250
32 Hunter, Kendall RB 2014 $580,385
26 Brock, Tramaine CB 2012 $545,580
82 Byham, Nate TE 2013 $522,130
67 Kilgore, Daniel OG 2014 $510,655
66 Looney, Joe OG 2015 $496,250
49 Miller, Bruce FB 2014 $486,193
78 Person, Mike OG 2014 $482,055
43 Jones, Colin FS 2014 $470,580
20 Cox, Perrish CB 2013 $470,580
92 Tukuafu, Will DE 2013 $470,580
96 Dobbs, Demarcus DE 2013 $470,580
93 Williams, Ian NT 2013 $470,580
Bakhtiari, Eric OLB 2013 $465,000
58 Fleming, Darius OLB 2015-IR $431,000
30 Robinson, Trenton FS 2015 $417,625
50 Johnson, Cam OLB 2015 $401,475
41 Holcomb, Curtis CB PS $96,900
71 Masifilo, Matt DE PS $96,900
51 Holland, Joe OLB PS $96,900
71 Hall, Derek OT PS $96,900
33 Hampton, Jewell RB PS $96,900
81 Owusu, Chris WR PS $96,900
89 Palmer, Nathan WR PS $96,900
62 Slowey, Jason C PS $96,900

2012 Current Total $133,435,357
2012 Dead Money $1,259,700
2012 Current and Dead Money $134,695,057
Leftover 2011 Cap Space $16,500,000
2012 Salary Cap Limit w/Leftover $138,082,519
2012 Salary Cap Limit without leftover $120,600,000
2012 Credited Cap Space $1,643,000
2012 Adjustments $982,519
2012 Cap Space $4,049,462
2012 Vet Credit $545,000
Split Contracts $117,000

Dead Money

2011 UDFAs $50,000
2012 UDFAs $26,528
Philip Adams $28,924
Anthony Dixon $30,150
Parys Haralson $100,000
Curtis Holcomb $11,750
Ronald Johnson $78,165
Colin Jones $74,172
Taylor Mays $754,000
Scott McKillop $48,063
Jason Slowey $23,128
Curtis Taylor $14,970
Kyle Williams $19,850

Total $1,259,700

2013 Free Agents to be under this scenario:

RB Brandon Jacobs
RB Rock Cartwright
WR Randy Moss
WR Ted Ginn Jr.
TE Delanie Walker
NT Isaac Sopoaga
NT Ricky Jean Francois
ILB Larry Grant
ILB Tavares Gooden
CB Tramaine Brock (RFA)
FS Dashon Goldson

2013 Committed salaries look like this.

$118.183M, which includes the 8 men on P-Squad having rookie minimum deals of $405K if retained for 2013, and $142,884 in dead money.
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

This. Haralson and Williams make the team.
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

I dont see a need for a 6th WR, we didn't keep 6 last year, and we only had 4 of the 5 active on game days.

Haralson makes too much, if kept we lose $2.77M in cap room, we need room for emergencies, can't go in with 1.7M or less, won't work.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

This. Haralson and Williams make the team.

Haralson need to take a pay cut in order to fit under the cap. Once season begins its no longer top 51, it's 53 and 8 man p-squad, plus IR and PUP players if any. We would have only 1.7M if we keep Haralson at his current figure.

Williams is expendable. We dont need a 6th WR. He won't ever see the field. Won't be active, didn't keep all 5 last year active, always was 4(including Ginn).
Looking at the roster ...lots of tough decisions to make.
I think we are gearing up for a Super Bowl run, we can find cap room if really needed by restructuring a contract or two.

Tukuafu to practice squad to call up if needed
Cam Johnson to practice squad and Haralson remains as the primary backup
Kyle Williams makes the team, Jenkins has a lot to learn and Kyle already learned the lesson last year.
Looney could be put on IR if his foot does not improve.
Would not know jack about the cap situation if it was not for AB83Rules. Thanks much for the post!
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
You think parys haralson will get cut? I also think Kyle Williams will make the team.

This. Haralson and Williams make the team.


Kyle Williams has to go. Not everyone is as sympathetic towards his failure as the people on this board. His presence would be a distraction. Best let Williams get a new start someplace else.
Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
I think we are gearing up for a Super Bowl run, we can find cap room if really needed by restructuring a contract or two.

Tukuafu to practice squad to call up if needed
Cam Johnson to practice squad and Haralson remains as the primary backup
Kyle Williams makes the team, Jenkins has a lot to learn and Kyle already learned the lesson last year.
Looney could be put on IR if his foot does not improve.

Only viable option to redo a deal is Justin Smith on a extension, others would just push money into later years which is never a good idea. Especially with the cap not being known for future years.
We are pretty close, and I love the salary break down, thx.

Bynham cut, Konrad Rheuland 3rd TE
Josh Johnson cut, Scott Tolzien 3rd qb and gameday inactive
Demarcus Dobbs PS- Slowey back up game day inactive
Eric bakisbent olb cut- Parys Harolson stays
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Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
I think we are gearing up for a Super Bowl run, we can find cap room if really needed by restructuring a contract or two.

Tukuafu to practice squad to call up if needed
Cam Johnson to practice squad and Haralson remains as the primary backup
Kyle Williams makes the team, Jenkins has a lot to learn and Kyle already learned the lesson last year.
Looney could be put on IR if his foot does not improve.

Tukuafu can't go on the practice squad and Looney can go on pup
Originally posted by 9erred:
We are pretty close, and I love the salary break down, thx.

Bynham cut, Konrad Rheuland 3rd TE
Josh Johnson cut, Scott Tolzien 3rd qb and gameday inactive
Demarcus Dobbs PS- Slowey back up game day inactive
Eric bakisbent olb cut- Parys Harolson stays

Can't happen at his cap figure. Would leave us onlt 1.279M under, which is NOT enough to get through a season. And it's never a good thing to restructure and push money back in later years. our best bet is for Justin Smith to get extended and lower his base salaries in 2012 and 2013 to help cap wise.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Gameday Inactives: QB Johnson, RB Hunter, OG Person, DE Dobbs, NT Williams, CB Brock and S Robinson



I realize there are hard decisions to make, and its lame if everyone agrees on what is what...

BUT---- NO WAY Hunter is inactive on gamedays. I dont care if everyone else outshines him. That just means we have 4 stud RBs. He's too good. Harbaugh will find a way to keep him on the active roster
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:

Gameday Inactives: QB Johnson, RB Hunter, OG Person, DE Dobbs, NT Williams, CB Brock and S Robinson



I realize there are hard decisions to make, and its lame if everyone agrees on what is what...

BUT---- NO WAY Hunter is inactive on gamedays. I dont care if everyone else outshines him. That just means we have 4 stud RBs. He's too good. Harbaugh will find a way to keep him on the active roster

He would have to be inactive, If we keep, and we should keep both Cartwright and Jones, both are active. Leaving a decision between Jacobs(Who won't want to be inactive) and Hunter.

Can't keep 6 OL active, thus keeping 7 active like 2011. Never activated 5 WRs in 2011, 2012 will be different, we want Jenkins, Moss, Crabs and Manningham getting PT, and Ginn is our only viable Return option, anyone who thinks James, Cox or anyone else is better is nuts.

6th WR is not needed, Williams should be cut, if we need a WR late, then trade for one, or sign Owusu or Palmer off PS.

It's possible Dobbs or I.Williams is cut, leading to a PS spot for them, if clears waivers.

Josh Johnson is better option IMO to have with Kaep behind Alex then with Tolzien. I trust Johnson more.

Byham is primary 3rd and blocking TE, plus a FB potentially if needed.

Tough decisions indeed. Haralson needs pay cut, can't keep him and only have 1.279M to work with.