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Alex Boone competing at OG

Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
It's a very legit concern. We're guard and center heavy at the top of the o-line depth chart looking at the 8 or 9 guys who are most likely to make the team. After Staley, Davis and Boone who do we really have at tackle? We have a few guys that played OT for small schools before kicking inside. If one of our three OT's goes down (heaven forbid) it's probably going to be street free agent time.

Yeah, Slowey could play tackle in a pinch... but coming from a division 2 school, he would really struggle against the types of athletes he would face in the NFL on the outside.

But don't worry... Boone won't win the OG spot (see my earlier argument).
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Boy, Alex Boone has really come a long way. He will have to work on the drawbacks of his height for the position. But I honestly think he can, and here's why:

- Boone is a natural pass blocker, and I can tell you that teaching pass blocking is much harder than teaching run blocking for OG's. Pass blocking is an art; run blocking is about nastiness and meanness. Those things are not hard to teach, especially when you're physically strong like Boone.

- While his height could be a serious liability, IF he learns to stay low and widen his base his height could be turned into a weapon (and I think that's the thinking of the coaching staff). NFL use wider splits (the distance or space between O-lineman) than college and high school to deal with complicated NFL D-line schemes and exotic stunts and twists. If he can learn to widen his base, by maintaining a lower profile, his height can be used to increase his rang in the passing game. It's hard to deploy stunts on a rangy OG.

If Boone can learn the OG position and win it he will be THE most dangerous O-lineman in the NFL. I think this is why they locked his up.

Seriously? The bold is quite an exaggeration.

Also, pass blocking technique for a OG is very different than for an OT. An OT must can give up ground to keep a rusher from beating him to the outside. He has more time from the snap till he engages the defender. Being effective at OT is about quickness and balance. At OG, you cannot give up much ground and you must engage the defender almost immediately after the snap. The defender is not usually trying to go around you, but through you. He will try to get underneath your shoulders in order to control you. Therefore, being effective at OG is about strength and leverage. They are very different techniques and there will be a learning curve.
Alex may become a bigger, better version of Adam Snyder. I think Looney will win the starting OG job...he's just the kind of player we need there. If Boone can become the jack-of-all-trades OL, that's great insurance if a starter goes down.
I dont like this idea at all. Having a reliable swing tackle is important. Even if he could be the "best" guard on the right side, how much better is he than Looney/Kilgore? Is it enough to justify not having a quality OT back up? Do we really want to shuffle two positions at the Oline if one of are starting OTs gets hurt during the season? Even worst, what if Boone gets hurt? Then who is the back up? Having the "best" five on the field might be an over simplification. The season is long and you have to think strategically.
Real fan of Boone. Having him learn the position makes us better even if he doesn't start. Depth is something we could have use in a punt returner BUT that's yesterday's news.

It's great having this type of competition.

My gut feeling is Kilgore starts as RG, just a feeling. Boone is the heir apparant at LT, RT if anything happens to starters. He can come in and play at a high level.

And what seems to be a common occurance - Baalke/JH will have some surprises.
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/Boone-Working-Out-at-Guard/6416555b-0602-4e1b-bf5e-6437c09bf4b3

Love that vid! Just goes to show how this kid has come a Lonnnnnnnnng way from his bouts with alcoholism. Now, he can be our new "Snyder" being able to fill in on the inside or kick outside, what a great versatile player he's become.

Looking forward to see how this pans out.
Originally posted by blm7754:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Boy, Alex Boone has really come a long way. He will have to work on the drawbacks of his height for the position. But I honestly think he can, and here's why:

- Boone is a natural pass blocker, and I can tell you that teaching pass blocking is much harder than teaching run blocking for OG's. Pass blocking is an art; run blocking is about nastiness and meanness. Those things are not hard to teach, especially when you're physically strong like Boone.

- While his height could be a serious liability, IF he learns to stay low and widen his base his height could be turned into a weapon (and I think that's the thinking of the coaching staff). NFL use wider splits (the distance or space between O-lineman) than college and high school to deal with complicated NFL D-line schemes and exotic stunts and twists. If he can learn to widen his base, by maintaining a lower profile, his height can be used to increase his rang in the passing game. It's hard to deploy stunts on a rangy OG.

If Boone can learn the OG position and win it he will be THE most dangerous O-lineman in the NFL. I think this is why they locked his up.

Seriously? The bold is quite an exaggeration.

Also, pass blocking technique for a OG is very different than for an OT. An OT must can give up ground to keep a rusher from beating him to the outside. He has more time from the snap till he engages the defender. Being effective at OT is about quickness and balance. At OG, you cannot give up much ground and you must engage the defender almost immediately after the snap. The defender is not usually trying to go around you, but through you. He will try to get underneath your shoulders in order to control you. Therefore, being effective at OG is about strength and leverage. They are very different techniques and there will be a learning curve.
Other than my "exaggeration" I don't see were we disagree. Maybe I should have went into more detail but I didn't think I had to. Students of the game know that G and T pass blocking are different, for the reasons you stated and then some. Personally, I think Kilgore is gonna win the job but the point I was making was that his height could be a liability or an a weapon, depending on if he learns the techneques needed for him to be a G.
Originally posted by Jikkle49:
Davis is still showing signs of improvement at RT so until he hits the ceiling I would prefer to leave him there.

Boone to me just has an OT body so not sure how he would look at guard but if he's the best man for the job I won't be complaining.

Ultimately I would want the best guys out there to play but I think ideally I would love to see

LT: Staley
LG: Iupati
C: Kilgore or Looney
RG: Kilgore or Looney
RT: Davis

TWO ROOKIES TOGETHER SIDE BY SIDE I DON´T KNOW....

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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Alex may become a bigger, better version of Adam Snyder. I think Looney will win the starting OG job...he's just the kind of player we need there. If Boone can become the jack-of-all-trades OL, that's great insurance if a starter goes down.

This is how I see it for Boone, not sure about Looney yet but we will see. We lost Snyder who could potentially play multiple positions, so we must begin developing his successor. I see no issue with this and feel having that type of player only helps due to the fact injuries can happen any where on the line. Those that are prepared are successful and those that aren't simply have an excuse for why the were not.
Originally posted by PERUVIAN49ERS:
Originally posted by Jikkle49:
Davis is still showing signs of improvement at RT so until he hits the ceiling I would prefer to leave him there.

Boone to me just has an OT body so not sure how he would look at guard but if he's the best man for the job I won't be complaining.

Ultimately I would want the best guys out there to play but I think ideally I would love to see

LT: Staley
LG: Iupati
C: Kilgore or Looney
RG: Kilgore or Looney
RT: Davis

TWO ROOKIES TOGETHER SIDE BY SIDE I DON´T KNOW....

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I don't know if Boone will win it, but whoever does really doesn't matter to me. We'll see who the best is and I trust that the best 5 OL (healthy) will be starting on day one.

I feel it's very likely one of these young players will be playing center by 2013 for the 49ers, especially if Goodwin plays only so-so this year. At the worst, they'll be competing with him in 2013. I like the competition we've got going on the interior though. Including our UDFA or former practice squad guys (you never want to count someone out -- Harvey Dahl is an example), the following interior OL will be competing amongst each other:

Iupati (I'd venture to say he's a lock though), Goodwin (probable lock but, we'll say 95%-98% as long as he's healthy), Slowey, Kilgore, Person, Looney, Boone, Beeler, Netter, Garrett Chisolm, David Gonzales, and Derek Hall.

Even if you don't include Iupati and Goodwin, that's still 10 guys competing with each other. Sort of like New England does, we've stockpiled a position we can upgrade at, and will look to determine the best of the best from that crop.
It still scares me to have inexperience next to inexperience on the right side.

I'm all for whatever JH does... but man that is a HUGE question mark.
He's probably too tall to play guard.
So Steve Hutchinson at 6-5 313 and Adam Snyder at 6-6 325 is ok at OG but Alex Boone at 6-7 310 is not ok. Football is played on a football field not in the bedroom one or two more inches is not that big of a deal.
Also I think you would want the stronger player at RG.
225 Bench Reps
A Boone 33
A Davis 21
D Kilgore 23
J Looney 26