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Gregg Williams wanted to seriously injure all our players (audio on first post)

Originally posted by DJD:
agreed.. if it's merged.. it should be put on the first page...

Greg Williams punishment should be - he has to run (with a blind-fold over his eyes) on the field where Patrick Willis is warming up.
While I agree that this is not acceptable practice, the only thing I heard out of the norm was regarding Vernons ankles and Crabtrees ACL. Defensive coordinators have always encouraged their players to hit guys in the head, especially the QB.
how did they get the audio?
Interesting how he specifically calls out Crabby and Alex for their ability to be intimidated.
Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
You act like most NFL teams have bounty systems in play, which is not a fact and to the contrary, I cant say with certainty that it doesn't happen. However, to right it off like its no big deal because you think that this bounty system is a part of football is an ignorant statement. I'm not going to disagree that the Saints weren't the only team to do this, but it is not normal that's for sure. Let me tell you what is normal, putting a hurttin' on someone for trying to come over to my portion of the field, that's what has been happening since footballs existence.

This does not mean you are intentionally trying to injure a player, its a tactic to try and make that player think twice about making a play in that player area of the field. I really hate it when fans try to down play this situation, its not a common practice to tell your players to go for the head (you take out the head you kill the body) or to take out someones ACL.

I really do not know hoiw to explain it any differently, but NFL.com just came out with an article with my point =

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8281bb80/article/flashback-giants-targeted-49ers-williams-in-playoffs?module=HP11_around-the-league

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The Saints weren't alone.

Giants defenders said after their NFC title game win over the 49ers that Kyle Williams' concussion history was a talking point for New York's special-teams unit, per linebacker Jacquian Williams and receiver Devin Thomas. It was Jacquian Williams who stripped Kyle Williams on the game-deciding punt-return fumble in overtime, which was recovered by Thomas.

"The thing is, we knew (Williams) had four concussions," Jacquian told NYMag.com after the game. "So that was our biggest thing -- was to take him out of the game."

Thomas spoke of similar tactics: "He's had a lot of concussions. We were just like, 'We got to put a hit on that guy.' (Defensive back Tyler) Sash did a great job hitting him early, and he looked kind of dazed when he got up. I feel like that made a difference, and he coughed it up."

It was a news item that came and went without much fanfare in the days leading up the Giants' win over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XLVI.

The question stands: Was New York's strategy so different from what Williams asked his players to do?
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What because there wasnt money on the line it was different?
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its on pg 3 of the other thread. good job
Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
how did they get the audio?

i snuck in their locker room and recorded it

Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
this why your getting attacked


This has been going on forever, its part of football and the reason coaches do not say much about injuries unless they have to.

Just by you Jesu, this has been part of the NFL for as long as the league existed. You cant deny that fact. The only difference is that Williams got caught. Buddy Ryan gave out money for hurting players WAY before Williams did.
Originally posted by ghostrider:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by ghostrider:
Come at us bro.


I Love how Whitner doesn't even look back, and just kind of Hero walk's off the screen. Actions speak louder than the words of a bunch of fake tough guys.

Exactly. Cool guys don't look at explosions.


Poor Saints, it's obvious Harbough and Co. got word of this after the (blitz crazy) pre season game. Now the whole league knows! I expect everyone to play the Saints the way we did in the playoff game. They just went from the hunters to the hunted, I would stay clear of that team if I were a free agent.
Originally posted by hazy:
its on pg 3 of the other thread. good job

I looked through the whole thing... didn't see it... if I skipped it I'm sure others did too... this makes it easier... Thanks for pointing it out though...
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Poor Saints, it's obvious Harbough and Co. got word of this after the (blitz crazy) pre season game. Now the whole league knows! I expect everyone to play the Saints the way we did in the playoff game. They just went from the hunters to the hunted, I would stay clear of that team if I were a free agent.

Surprisingly, they've actually had quite a few decent signings this offseason. I can't believe more players aren't staying away from it.
I'm pretty sure all NFL teams have players that push the boundaries of a legal hit. And 'testing' the other guy when he got back from injuries. The difference with the Saints is there were money involved in encouraging those hits. Then on top of that, they tried to cover it up. The message is clear from Goodell. The head coaches have the responsibility to make sure there is nothing like that happening on their team. Encourage the hitting but just make sure there's no office pool.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Apr 5, 2012 at 12:18 PM ]
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Originally posted by Bryant4everYoung:
This was an NFL coach, who was caught red handed, what's so hard to get. Just because we don't hear about this side of football doesn't justify it or make it right.

You guys are missing my point, I agree he was dead wrong and I agree he should be banned for life. Im blasting the media for jumping on this audio about the Saints calling out specific players with specific injuries after the fact. The Giants were given a pass against us when hurting a player actually affected the outcome. The media is in a frenzy over it TODAY because its the hot topic, if they REALLY cared about it, this would have been the topic the two weeks leading up to the SB. The Giants did exactly what the Saints did and admitted to it right after the game. What was the difference? The difference is them jumping on the gravy train for ratings.
No, I get your point, but what I'm saying there's a clear difference between a player saying he was targeting another player and a coach having a systematic injury reward program, because this cannot be put in the "heresay" category, per the evidence presented. I agree, the media will unnecessarily have a field day with this, but the giants got a pass because it was something someone said that could not be proven to be a long running intricately designed program being investigated for 3 years.
Originally posted by DRUSTOPO:
Im a 9ers fan living 10 min from the Meadowlands.. The Giants players said and did the same thing with Kyle Williams. This was one of many articles = http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/01/giants_...

"Some Giants say they went after Williams with the intent to take him out of the game. "

I have not heard one thing about the Giants. This smells like a media witch hunt.Not saying that they were right, they lied and did it anyway, thats the biggest factor. This has been going on forever, its part of football and the reason coaches do not say much about injuries unless they have to. The other team goes after the weaknesses. Giants did it worse in that game and admitted it after. Im not upset about it, all part of the game.I love how everyone is appalled over this, wake up people, Buddy Ryan was 100 times worse! Hell the Lions were worse in 2011 and the Raiders have led the league in PFs for 20 years, think they dont have rewards? This is a joke how the media is latching onto this. Its like the Weather Channel when a Hurricane hits.

It's like the steroid investigation in the MLB. For years it seemed obvious what was going on, then all of the "surprise" in the media. But having specific, blatant examples are sometimes what it takes to blow the lid off a story that has been quietly simmering for some time. It is sweet that it was the Niners that belivered the knockout blow, figuratively and literally, to the Saints and that miserable SOB Williams. One last point...the NFL has ulterior motives for coming out strong on the issue of protecting the players because there is growing momentum against the NFL on the issue of all its past players suffering from demential and various disabilities as a result of years of head trauma. In the bigger picture I think the NFL is very much fighting a PR battle.