The Total Inability of 49er Fans to Understand Receiver Performance

Originally posted by HessianDud:
what's the point? if i wait ten minutes you'll be on to some new topic.

I haven't started a thread in NT in 4 days

Originally posted by DirtyP:
Manningham is overrated by the webzone. He was a great #3 in an elite passing attack but lets wait and see what he can do with us before we call him the steal of free agency. Josh Morgan was signed before him, there is a reason for that.

You didn't read my post. Statistically, Manningham was awesome in 2010 and 2009. He's a #1 that had a bad year

Originally posted by 2Legit2Quit:
Can agree with most of the general sentiment. I have an irrational trust that Crabs will indeed become a true number 1 and top 10 receiver. I also think that Kyle Williams is a valuable asset as a receiver, but will not stand to see him field another punt as long as I live. Hope he's on the team after TC though, as I think he has the right skills to be a playmaker and the attitude to recover from his horrid NFCCG and use that experience as motivation. One part I disagree with is Delanie. Don't know what DVOA is or what it accounts for but Delanie brings a lot to the table that can't be graphed or measured. Like his block on Suh to TWICE spring Gore for big gains, his game winner at the end of that same game, etc. He's a great player for Roman to have and utilize. While Fleener would probably be an upgrade as a receiver I don't know if he can really replace what Delanie brings to the table.

Walker isn't even a real Tight End, he's a converted WR. Fleener will be better in all aspects of the game.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
what's the point? if i wait ten minutes you'll be on to some new topic.

I haven't started a thread in NT in 4 days

ok.

this is actually a decent enough topic but the title is a little unnecessary, IMO.

We should get Plax for the redzone.

Originally posted by HessianDud:
ok.

this is actually a decent enough topic but the title is a little unnecessary, IMO.

It was necessary because most of the people on this board ignore stats. Even after I posted them, people DENY. They DENY that Walker is a lousy tight end, they DENY that Manningham is a #1 or 1a, etc.

Dam your stats.......


Alex Smith is my wr quality gage....

Originally posted by pd24:
We should get Plax for the redzone.

NO. Only caught 47% of targeted passes, DVOA of -3.8%. That's why he's still a free agent. Dude isn't good.

I tend to agree with you. I am a bit worried about Crabtree though, has he ever been a part of a niners training camp in his first three seasons? If he doesn't participate this season, I'd almost be inclined to cut ties with him.

Manningham is a good addition, and like you say Moss is a complete wildcard. Also count me as a fan of Kyle Williams. Prior to his mistakes in the championship game, most people were pretty excited with the glimpses he was showing as a reciever. Two mistakes in the return game, doesn't change his potential as a reciever... or even as a return specialist for that matter.

Brandon LaFell and Dezmon Briscoe are probably the most underrated WRs in the NFL, by the way.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by pd24:
We should get Plax for the redzone.

NO. Only caught 47% of targeted passes, DVOA of -3.8%. That's why he's still a free agent. Dude isn't good.

I don't care about his stats because if we get him as the 5 or 6 Wr and just use him in the Redzone, it would be a big help. He had 8 TD's last year and Im pretty sure all were from in and around the redzone.

Originally posted by SFBlue:
I tend to agree with you. I am a bit worried about Crabtree though, has he ever been a part of a niners training camp in his first three seasons? If he doesn't participate this season, I'd almost be inclined to cut ties with him.

Manningham is a good addition, and like you say Moss is a complete wildcard. Also count me as a fan of Kyle Williams. Prior to his mistakes in the championship game, most people were pretty excited with the glimpses he was showing as a reciever. Two mistakes in the return game, doesn't change his potential as a reciever... or even as a return specialist for that matter.

So if Crabtree can improve dramatically without showing up to camp, what will he do if he actaully shows up? Pro Bowl. Boom!

Originally posted by pd24:
I don't care about his stats because if we get him as the 5 or 6 Wr and just use him in the Redzone, it would be a big help. He had 8 TD's last year and Im pretty sure all were from in and around the redzone.

But he's not good and caught only 47% of passes thrown at him...and the guy is like Seven feet tall!

Originally posted by HessianDud:
the condescension of MadDog finally melds with the frequency and redundancy of nickbradley.

amen..........

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by HessianDud:
ok.

this is actually a decent enough topic but the title is a little unnecessary, IMO.

It was necessary because most of the people on this board ignore stats. Even after I posted them, people DENY. They DENY that Walker is a lousy tight end, they DENY that Manningham is a #1 or 1a, etc.

if you made a thread for every logical assumption or factual based argument that Niner Talk ignores or denies, then you'd be constantly making threads.

wait a minute...