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12b6demurrer
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 12b6demurrer:
I imagine this is the figure before cuts and restructuring. There's some dead weight to get rid of in terms of contracts, like Shawntae Spencer.
So you cut Moran Norris, Chilo Rachal, and Shawntae Spencer. Where does that leave the cap? Any other cuts?
Well, Spencer is a definite cut and that frees up close to 3.3 million next year, which I think is more than enough to sign Morgan and maybe pay a special teamer's salary.
Chilo isn't included in the "cut" figure because I think his contract is expiring? So he'd just hit the FA market and we wouldn't resign him, like we're doing with Reggie Smith. Same with Norris.
Really what we'd be doing is taking off the dead weight. I'm not sure Curtis Holcomb gets on the roster. It's hard to say where the other cuts would come from.
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SundayTicket
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I know every thread turns into an Alex thread, but.......
If we have 30 million to spend this offseason, investing 1/3 of that (or more) on Alex is a HUGE mistake.
So what do you suggest we do?
Originally posted by Amir:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I know every thread turns into an Alex thread, but.......
If we have 30 million to spend this offseason, investing 1/3 of that (or more) on Alex is a HUGE mistake.
So what do you suggest we do?
sign V Jax, let alex go and start CK.
this
what are you gonna do if CK fails?? Alex has given us a year of stability and good place to the NFC championship. not him alone, but he did contribute with a QB rating over 100.00 in the playoffs... Given the no offseason, brand new Coaches etc, injuries to WR's and for how good Alex Smith still did, im willing to give him another year under the same Coaches etc and a full offseason to see if hes unhandcuffed, maybe breaks 4k, and gets in 25-30 TD's.. Our teams not built to be carried from our offense so i havent really ever expected that, but i do expect Professional offensive players to occasionally carry the team when needed.. which during the regular season they did for the most part when it counted especially against new orleans
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SundayTicket
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Vincent Jackson has been nothing but a problem got the Chargers for years now. Why would you want to spend big money on him? I say we get Bowe.
I like dwayne bowe alot, his size etc.
But if you go by numbers, YAC, thrown to, Vincent Jackson is easily the best WR in Free agent this year. not to mention hes a WR in a TE's body and can come down with the ball with a OMG feeling.
Michael Crabtrees "targeted" compared to "bowes" targeted shows that if we targeted Crabtree like KC did bowe they would have equal Yards.. but if you did the same for vincent Jackson, well his are much higher.
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I like our formula here now. The same formula that has produced a winning product for years in the NFL if executed correctly and that is sign your own, draft well and fill the rest of your holes with mid-range free agents. Worked better than we thought a year ago and I finally have one hundred percent trust in the coaching staff and front office to continue executing this formula with a positive outcome.
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80sbaby24
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I agree he deserves what the market is willing to pay. But I disagree on the amount. QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick got like 60 mill over 5 years, and Alex is a lot better than him. Sure Fitz threw for like 700 more yards and 7 more TDs in the regular season, but he tossed 18 more INTs and doesn't offer Alex's mobility or durability. Alex needs to get better at keeping eyes down field and making throws there or commiting to running the ball and scramble if nothing's there rather than worried about getting sacked and such, but he is steady and consistent and made some clutch plays. He was able to cut it loose in most games we needed it except for the last 1 unfortunately, but that giants defense when healthy is really talented. I could easily see a team like Miami saying "yeah he's not Rodgers or Brees, but we can get surround him with talent and we will win games with him" and they would think that would be worth 10-11 mill rather than 6 or 7 per year. Because if they'd had what Alex gave us this year over what Henne and the other guy gave them the last 2 or 3 years, they'd have won more games. Just look at how much better they were with Pennington, and he was the definition of game manager. But at the end of the day they could win with him.
Fitzpatrick is a perfect example. Who in their right F'ing mind other than the Bills would have been willing to pay that on the market?
Fitzpatrick signed that contract in October, when he was playing lights out.
There are so many bad contracts in this league, and Fitzpatrick highlights the list.
Yeah but you just said what the market will pay. The market makes mistakes all the time, in real life and in pro sports.
The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract. The Bills were the only market in October.
The Bills are part of the market though dude. You only need 1 team to offer you a lot of money, not every single 1 or even multiple.
Yes. "The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract" is a null comment. Because he got that contract, that is what the market would pay.
I strongly disagree with this comment. There is a huge difference between Alex and Fitzpatrick. Alex is a free agent. Fitzpatrick was not. So there was no "market" per se with Fitzpatrick. There will be one with Alex however, and we need to pay him accordingly.
And willisthewall......durability? Alex has missed substantial time due to injuries in three out of his seven professional seasons. Dont know how you can call that a durable player.
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I just want Goldson back more than anyone
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English
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Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I agree he deserves what the market is willing to pay. But I disagree on the amount. QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick got like 60 mill over 5 years, and Alex is a lot better than him. Sure Fitz threw for like 700 more yards and 7 more TDs in the regular season, but he tossed 18 more INTs and doesn't offer Alex's mobility or durability. Alex needs to get better at keeping eyes down field and making throws there or commiting to running the ball and scramble if nothing's there rather than worried about getting sacked and such, but he is steady and consistent and made some clutch plays. He was able to cut it loose in most games we needed it except for the last 1 unfortunately, but that giants defense when healthy is really talented. I could easily see a team like Miami saying "yeah he's not Rodgers or Brees, but we can get surround him with talent and we will win games with him" and they would think that would be worth 10-11 mill rather than 6 or 7 per year. Because if they'd had what Alex gave us this year over what Henne and the other guy gave them the last 2 or 3 years, they'd have won more games. Just look at how much better they were with Pennington, and he was the definition of game manager. But at the end of the day they could win with him.
Fitzpatrick is a perfect example. Who in their right F'ing mind other than the Bills would have been willing to pay that on the market?
Fitzpatrick signed that contract in October, when he was playing lights out.
There are so many bad contracts in this league, and Fitzpatrick highlights the list.
Yeah but you just said what the market will pay. The market makes mistakes all the time, in real life and in pro sports.
The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract. The Bills were the only market in October.
The Bills are part of the market though dude. You only need 1 team to offer you a lot of money, not every single 1 or even multiple.
Yes. "The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract" is a null comment. Because he got that contract, that is what the market would pay.
I strongly disagree with this comment. There is a huge difference between Alex and Fitzpatrick. Alex is a free agent. Fitzpatrick was not. So there was no "market" per se with Fitzpatrick. There will be one with Alex however, and we need to pay him accordingly.
And willisthewall......durability? Alex has missed substantial time due to injuries in three out of his seven professional seasons. Dont know how you can call that a durable player.
You are , possibly deliberately, missing the point. The market is what is available. It was a null comment and I dont really care if you disagree. The fact that Fitz got that contract cannot be divorced and a comment made that "the market" wouldnt have paid this. "The market" did. The end.
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80sbaby24
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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I agree he deserves what the market is willing to pay. But I disagree on the amount. QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick got like 60 mill over 5 years, and Alex is a lot better than him. Sure Fitz threw for like 700 more yards and 7 more TDs in the regular season, but he tossed 18 more INTs and doesn't offer Alex's mobility or durability. Alex needs to get better at keeping eyes down field and making throws there or commiting to running the ball and scramble if nothing's there rather than worried about getting sacked and such, but he is steady and consistent and made some clutch plays. He was able to cut it loose in most games we needed it except for the last 1 unfortunately, but that giants defense when healthy is really talented. I could easily see a team like Miami saying "yeah he's not Rodgers or Brees, but we can get surround him with talent and we will win games with him" and they would think that would be worth 10-11 mill rather than 6 or 7 per year. Because if they'd had what Alex gave us this year over what Henne and the other guy gave them the last 2 or 3 years, they'd have won more games. Just look at how much better they were with Pennington, and he was the definition of game manager. But at the end of the day they could win with him.
Fitzpatrick is a perfect example. Who in their right F'ing mind other than the Bills would have been willing to pay that on the market?
Fitzpatrick signed that contract in October, when he was playing lights out.
There are so many bad contracts in this league, and Fitzpatrick highlights the list.
Yeah but you just said what the market will pay. The market makes mistakes all the time, in real life and in pro sports.
The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract. The Bills were the only market in October.
The Bills are part of the market though dude. You only need 1 team to offer you a lot of money, not every single 1 or even multiple.
Yes. "The market would not have paid Fitzpatrick that contract" is a null comment. Because he got that contract, that is what the market would pay.
I strongly disagree with this comment. There is a huge difference between Alex and Fitzpatrick. Alex is a free agent. Fitzpatrick was not. So there was no "market" per se with Fitzpatrick. There will be one with Alex however, and we need to pay him accordingly.
And willisthewall......durability? Alex has missed substantial time due to injuries in three out of his seven professional seasons. Dont know how you can call that a durable player.
You are , possibly deliberately, missing the point. The market is what is available. It was a null comment and I dont really care if you disagree. The fact that Fitz got that contract cannot be divorced and a comment made that "the market" wouldnt have paid this. "The market" did. The end.
Fair enough. But seeing as how there could and would be a real market for Alex, he needs to be paid accordingly. Hypothetically speaking, if there isnt a single other team interested in Alex, do you still think a 10+ mil a year contract is a wise move for our team?
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Some notes.
The difference in Willis' contract is around $11.44M, which is huge, he might of hit some escalators, incentives or extra roster bonuses. His base salary is so low($1.904M) if may not be an option to restructure, but he isnt really cuttable, He still has $3.1M in prorated bonus left for each year through 2014. So if cut, we would either take a $9.3M Cap Hit, losing around $3M in cap space for 2012.
Also, Anthony Davis must have hit a one time escalator, worth $1.919.900M, while Mike Iupati would have hit a one timer worth $3.682.762M
And Gore has an additional $1.65M in bonuses eligible to him.
We have exercised the right to carry over around $12.6M from 2011 cap space remaining.
Now two logical cap cuts would be Haralson and Spencer.
Haralson would save $2.115M if cut before june 1, or $2.455M after june 1, his remaining bonus would be divided over 2 years($300K each)
Spencer saves the entire $3.3M if cut before june 1, $3.2M after june 1, which he would have earned his $100K workout bonus.
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First things first...we must lock up Chilo long term.
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12b6demurrer
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Originally posted by jones49:
First things first...we must lock up Chilo long term.
If he's not the highest paid player on this team, I will be thoroughly disappointed.
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Ajanke:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1060980-san-francisco-49ers-5-reasons-why-the-offense-will-exceed-expectations-in-2012
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BRING STEVIE HOME!!!!!
im down with everything in that article
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by Ajanke:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1060980-san-francisco-49ers-5-reasons-why-the-offense-will-exceed-expectations-in-2012
boner
BRING STEVIE HOME!!!!!
How is he that much better than Crabs considering the money he will require?