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Weighing long-term priorities for the offseason

There is no reason to choose between the two right now. We can re-sign Alex and still leave the door open for Kaepernick.

If Kaepernick develops into the better player, he will find a way onto the field regardless of Alex's contract status.
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Originally posted by CRABTREE:
[i] keep the D Kaepernick can get you 17 tds in 16 games
pinning the hopes of your season on the hopes that the kid can give you 17 touchdowns.as i said before this whole thing about replacing alex with two unprovens is a solution trying to find a problem. there is no problem at quarterback in my opinion that a full off season and a couple of decent wide outs can not solve
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
There is no reason to choose between the two right now. We can re-sign Alex and still leave the door open for Kaepernick.

If Kaepernick develops into the better player, he will find a way onto the field regardless of Alex's contract status.
jesus yes,,, good job king,, what was that so hard to figure out
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by krizay:
right concept wrong person(s). To me Smith more vital to us than Goldson and Rogers. The latter 2 were a product of the system and great front 7. The great front 7 was helped by our lack ov turnovers. To which Smith's play was a vital part.

Now i'm not saying not to go after Goldson or Rogers just do it at the right cost.

If we do it your way and start Kaep, what happens when we start turning the ball over? Do we give up points like we did after the turnovers in the championship game even with goldson and Rogers?

Alex Smith threw 27 passes per game, one of the lowest figures in the league. I'm sure Kaep can handle that.

No he can't. Alex threw 5 int's all year long. If you put Kaep he may have 25 int's. And you go from 13 - 3 to 3 - 13. Not anybody can throw low interceptions. Alex is really good at taking care of the ball. It's one of the things he excells at. And even he wasn't good at that early in his career. It took years to learn. Same thing with Kaep. It will be a painful learning process for him. And a long process.
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Originally posted by krizay:
right concept wrong person(s). To me Smith more vital to us than Goldson and Rogers. The latter 2 were a product of the system and great front 7. The great front 7 was helped by our lack ov turnovers. To which Smith's play was a vital part.

Now i'm not saying not to go after Goldson or Rogers just do it at the right cost.

If we do it your way and start Kaep, what happens when we start turning the ball over? Do we give up points like we did after the turnovers in the championship game even with goldson and Rogers?

Alex Smith threw 27 passes per game, one of the lowest figures in the league. I'm sure Kaep can handle that.

No he can't. Alex threw 5 int's all year long. If you put Kaep he may have 25 int's. And you go from 13 - 3 to 3 - 13. Not anybody can throw low interceptions. Alex is really good at taking care of the ball. It's one of the things he excells at. And even he wasn't good at that early in his career. It took years to learn. Same thing with Kaep. It will be a painful learning process for him. And a long process.
agree. Thank god san diego and sofa have come along here with some logic. are therer some fans here who hate alex so much they would be willing to fall back to 3-13 which, as san diego said, is exactly what will happen if we let the kids battle it out. why the hell would you even want to do that with a team that just missed the super bowl. , yes by all means, lets repeat what we did when we fired mooch and had no plan to replace him with someone better,, yes lets do that with our quarterback, oh my head
I dont think we should let go of a QB whos had conference championship experience. It will count as the season wears on and the playoffs become a reality again this experience would be a factor.
Originally posted by nickbradley:
This might be a controversial position, but I think that the best long-term strategy for the 49ers may be to let Alex Smith go. This isn't a specific knock on Smith, but more of a realization that other priorities are more important. Discussion:

- keeping the defense together is priority #1, I think we can all agree on that. In order to do that, we need to:
-- re-sign Goldson and Rogers...that will be expensive.
-- blocking off money to re-sign Bowman before his 2013 contract year starts

- A second priority is shoring up the WR Corps, improving the short-yardage running game, and securing the interior offensive line long-term, i.e. re-signing Snyder and replacing/extending Goodwin after 2013

So here's what I would do:
- re-sign Rogers, Goldson, Synder, Morgan, and Brooks. Go after Dwayne Bowe or Hakeem Nicks at WR and Peyton Hillis at RB. We need a WR that gets separation and a back that can pick up an increasing load from Gore as he gets older AND can pick up short yardage.
- Offer Smith a short-term extension for $5m - $6m...if he doesn't take it we go with Kaep.
- If Smith leaves, extend Bowman, Justin Smith, Soap, T-Brown, and Whitner

If we make these moves, we're locked and loaded for a 5 year run at championships...but it may cost us Alex Smith in order to get the cap room. Thoughts?
-I'm sorry but I think we re-sign Alex Smith, period. He's earned it and he gives us the best chance unless we get Payton (which I doubt).
-I agree that keeping the D together is VITAL to our playoff push for next year.
-The only WR FA I'm interested in getting is Colston. Any new receiver should come via the first round, and purhaps the later rounds.
-We have time to extend Bowman, but keeping him along side Willis is vital.
-Would love to keep Brooks, at the right price. But expect Aldon to start next season, either in place of Brooks or Haralson. If I were a betting man (and I'm not) I'd say that if we can re-sign Brooks and Haralson then Haralson would be the odd man out as a starter. But I thing the 49er coaching staff would have no problem featuring Haralson and Aldon at the OLB spots if Brooks wants too much. I just see Haralson swallowing his pride before Brooks

Either way, I think we will be fine. We will not be starving for FA.
Originally posted by ace49ers:
I dont think we should let go of a QB whos had conference championship experience. It will count as the season wears on and the playoffs become a reality again this experience would be a factor.

I don't think we should let go of a QB that took us to a 13-3 record with only one legitimate receiving threat, threw 5 ints and qb rating of 90+, and was publicly supported by our head coach to come back.

Now that we have continuity in the coaching staff, Alex Smith could be a pro bowler in 2012 with more offensive weapons.
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
I am on board with this route. Let Kap/Tolzien/(insert random cheap veteran qb) duke it out to start and keep the D and special teams intact.
i am sorry but I can not figure out this "logic". you take a team that almost went to the super bowl and have major pieces in place for next year and you are going to let two unknowns duke it out??lunacy. of course we have the sure fire back up plan, find a cheap vetern quarterback. after all these years of b***hing cuz the niners were cheap and b***hing we had no quarterback,, why all of a sudden go cheap on a quarterback? are the two kids going to provide the vetern leadership alex did. wow

If we keep our D and special teams intact we wont be able to keep Alex as the OP said. I think we have a better chance to get to and win a super bowl with the D and ST intact, and either Kap/Tolzien at the helm (not to mention providing for future long term success) than if we kept Alex at QB and lost D and ST players. That is my opinion and you obviously don't agree with it.
[ Edited by Bootlegger on Jan 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM ]
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by ace49ers:
I dont think we should let go of a QB whos had conference championship experience. It will count as the season wears on and the playoffs become a reality again this experience would be a factor.

I don't think we should let go of a QB that took us to a 13-3 record with only one legitimate receiving threat, threw 5 ints and qb rating of 90+, and was publicly supported by our head coach to come back.

Now that we have continuity in the coaching staff, Alex Smith could be a pro bowler in 2012 with more offensive weapons.

I agree. We keep him and he could be better. Plus he is our best option. Bottom line. We don't have a better one next year.
Originally posted by Bootlegger:
If we keep our D and special teams intact we wont be able to keep Alex as the OP said. I think we have a better chance to get to and win a super bowl with the D and ST intact, and either Kap/Tolzien at the helm (not to mention providing for future long term success) than if we kept Alex at QB and lost D and ST players. That is my opinion and you obviously don't agree with it.


The OP did say that but it is not necessarily true. Every year there is talk of how many guys we will lose and how devastating it will be. Last year we lost a starting CB and MLB...and actually improved in those two positions. To throw away your only proven QB so you don't lose anyone on the D is just ridiculous. Imagine if CK was in there throwing two picks a game last year. Would the 9ers have won half their games?
We got to get the TE coby fleener from Stanford! The guy is 6'6" and catches everything! Him and VD lined up in our two TE set will be unstoppable!