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Weighing long-term priorities for the offseason

Mike Singletary is that you???

Given that QB is the single most important position in sports I'm not sure handing the reigns over to an unproven rookie is in the Niners best interst. Alex will sign a moderate contract with some upside incentives. As far as QBs go he's not going to break the bank. This isn't a knock on Alex but he's not going to start anywhere but the Niners and that is because it is well known he needs at least a year in a system to get comfortable. He isn't going to leave SF for back up money elsewhere. Signing Alex and keeping the O together is just as critical as the D. Besides, going out and signing a FA QB would cost a LOT more money than keeping Alex.

Keeping Dashon and CR together might be impossible but of the 2 I'd rather keep Dashon than to pay elite CB money to anybody. DG should be a 6 to 6.5 mil a year contract while Rogers could be 9 to 10. Keeping Brooks shouldn't be too hard and upping Justin Smith at this point in his career (year 12) should be doable. The rest of our starters - Morgan, Snyder Ginn, etc should all be reasonable deals as well. No elite money there.

For FAs I wouldn't go near Hillis! Especially at his price tag! Between Gore and Hillis younwould have 8+ million in RB contracts! That salary cap hell. Gore has a few more good years and Hunter looks promising. What we need to spend some elite money on is a WR. Marques Colston would fit in very nice. bowe would also be a great addition but I'm not sure he would fit in with the team first concept. The one thing we've lacked over the past 3 years is a vet WR who can teach guys like Crabtree the nuances of playing the position. Eli Manning throws guys open because his WR can be thrown open. Crabtree lacks that skill set right now. Getting Colston gives us a legit #1 who's been there and done that.

We can pick up another interior lineman or 2 in the draft (3rd round for G/C is fine) a WR and a CB as well. I think we're about $40mil under the cap maybe a bit more. Shouldnt be impossible to keep the core intact for a few more years.
  • Kolohe
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by krizay:
right concept wrong person(s). To me Smith more vital to us than Goldson and Rogers. The latter 2 were a product of the system and great front 7. The great front 7 was helped by our lack ov turnovers. To which Smith's play was a vital part.

Now i'm not saying not to go after Goldson or Rogers just do it at the right cost.

If we do it your way and start Kaep, what happens when we start turning the ball over? Do we give up points like we did after the turnovers in the championship game even with goldson and Rogers?
And Smith wasn't the product of a system?

He may be on offense, but our offense thrived on not making turnovers, something Smith didn't do often, which should remain intact. If Smith isn't re-signed, it will pretty much be a merry-go-round at the QB position again.
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Alex Smith threw 27 passes per game, one of the lowest figures in the league. I'm sure Kaep can handle that.

and not turn the ball over?
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Alex Smith threw 27 passes per game, one of the lowest figures in the league. I'm sure Kaep can handle that.

and not turn the ball over?

keep in mind at the beginning of our season our playbook was limited

also thtd about how much luck threw under harbaugh and montana under walsh
[ Edited by 49ersalldaway126 on Jan 28, 2012 at 11:07 AM ]
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Unless you're replacing Alex with a healthy Peyton, you have to resign him, even at 8-10M a year. imo, CK is just not ready yet. That said, I'd prefer to sign Alex to a 2-3 year contract rather than 4-5 years.
Sorry, but the QB position is the most expensive for a reason. If Smith is allowed to walk and CK takes over efficiency is lost. The D will wonder why they are on the field more than when Smith was there and losing every game would make players and fans lose faith in Harbaugh and Baalke. Jed would be villified in the press until he decides to sell the team to Arnold Swartzneger who moves the team to LA and renames them the Terminators. They don't win any games but start barnstorming in the offseason with the Globe Trotters, offering fans a choice of sport fun.

Or maybe they could trade Willis to the Yankees...
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The blessing in disguised in the loss to the Giants is the fact that we went 0 for life on 3rd downs. It will be top priority this offseason. Not to mention adding that QB read option to the arsenal.

Add those 2 things and hopefully getting Smith some legit weapons this off season I'm looking forward to what Alex will do next season.

I understand the premise of keeping this defense together. It definitely must be top priority. Truth of the matter is though is the front 7 is our most important pieces. Goldson and Rogers didn't make the front seven better. The front 7 made them better. Their previous years numbers are there to suggest that.
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
We're going to need to extend Andy Lee too. FYI, Lechler makes about $4 million per year

Yea no one has been talking about how Lee's play this season will end up messing with our salary. He finally unseated Lechler as the #1 punter and that is going to cost us some $.
Kudos for making the suggestion for A Smith to bounce. Who are we competing against for his services? Is anyone else gonna give him 10M and his 8th offense to learn? I THINK NOT. I think we will keep Alex, but I don't disagree with your line of thought.
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Originally posted by nickbradley:
Alex Smith threw 27 passes per game, one of the lowest figures in the league. I'm sure Kaep can handle that.

I am sorry but how the hell do you know that? Are you willing to cut smith, turn it over to a rookie who has thrown six passes in the nfl regular season and hope he can do the job?And please stop with the 27 passes. do you think that is all there is to it? can he replace the leadership alex showed, can he make fourth quarter comebacks like alex? can he not throw picks like alex?wow that is really over over simplification. This whole thing about a quarterback problem is a answer trying to find a problem cuz there is no problem
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It is smart to weigh these kinds of decisions, we all were assuming he'll be here.

I would say that if Alex truly doesn't want to be gone like I think he doesn't, make him take a discount. Dumbass bills had to overpay fitzpatrick for no reason.

It's hard for us as fans to say CK "Can't" be just as good or better than alex. The coaches know where colin is in his development because they saw him practice every day even into week 17. All we're judging him on is a couple throws in the regular season and a horrible preseason in which our o-line gave neither him nor alex any time to throw.

I see no reason CK couldn't have a dalton-esque year or better, especially with last year on the bench and another offseason. At some point you need to give your future QB the chance to prove his worth. If the coaches think that time is now, offer alex a contract nearly the same as last year's(no raise take it or leave it), if he leaves sign someone to compete and move forward. I still feel like we're going to have to let colin take his bumps and bruises before he'll be the starter we want him to be.
[ Edited by mike on Jan 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM ]
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Hating alex is not the right reason to turn the keys over to the kid
I am on board with this route. Let Kap/Tolzien/(insert random cheap veteran qb) duke it out to start and keep the D and special teams intact.
[i] keep the D Kaepernick can get you 17 tds in 16 games
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Originally posted by Bootlegger:
I am on board with this route. Let Kap/Tolzien/(insert random cheap veteran qb) duke it out to start and keep the D and special teams intact.
i am sorry but I can not figure out this "logic". you take a team that almost went to the super bowl and have major pieces in place for next year and you are going to let two unknowns duke it out??lunacy. of course we have the sure fire back up plan, find a cheap vetern quarterback. after all these years of b***hing cuz the niners were cheap and b***hing we had no quarterback,, why all of a sudden go cheap on a quarterback? are the two kids going to provide the vetern leadership alex did. wow