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Brees, 1.5 seconds, and alex

Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Shaj:
It takes more than 1.5 seconds to wait for a receiver to be absolutely, positively open with no chance of an INT.

Not if the receivers and the QB have had enough time together to fully understand the interworking relationship between the two. However, there is no such thing as NO chance of an INT. There is always that chance for a variety of reasons.

The key point here is that Brees and the entire NO offense has been together for years. There are multiple players playing at Pro Bowl levels in that offense. The receivers are second only to Green Bay in terms of depth and quality.

A key component of that quality is the SIZE of their receivers. Excluding Lance Moore (unavailable due to injury), their WRs average 6'2". TEs are 6'5" and 6'6". The NO front office has shown excellent insight into the impact of the new rules against hitting a defenseless receiver. With receivers no longer having to worry about getting smacked in the ribs while fully extended for the ball, they have drafted tall receivers that can go up above DBs who average 6' or shorter. This gives Brees a big advantage in terms of trust. They are playing the game above the heads of the DBs in many cases. A receiver does not have to have horizontal separation to be open if they have a 12" reach advantage over the DB. The NO receivers are the future of the passing game in the NFL. While there will always be a certain spot for a Kyle Williams, his lack of height will always work against him and the QB.

Lots of things to consider in evaluation of why a QB can get the ball out quickly.

If Drew Brees played lousy, couldn't we chalk it up to his measly 6' stature? Zack Thomas was way too diminutive for his position as well, as was Dwight Freeney, as is Darren Sproles. I think either you play well or you don't. It's not your intention, but you are making excuses for a QB that flat out plays well. And if it was Smith, you'd be making excuses the other direction. This is what I'm talking about.

huh? he's talking about how tall the wide receivers are.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Can we get pressure with just our starting Nickle DL? Can just Aldon, Justin, Ray and Brooks collapse that pocket toward Brees? If we can, then it truly will be a long night for him. Then, we run run run with Gore and Co. and keep him on ice on the sidelines. Then, 1.5 sec ain't going to matter worth a darn to them.

Our defense will dictate terms!

The front of the pocket is the key. No QB can throw effectively if they have pressure in their face. Therein lies a key to Brees' success; he has two All Pro guards and a pretty good center giving him clear vision forward and room to step into his throws. Unless Sopoaga, Justin and McDonald can win the battle against those guards with some measure of consistency, it could be a long day. Aldon and Brooks can be coming from the outside but if Brees can step up and avoid them it won't matter.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Can we get pressure with just our starting Nickle DL? Can just Aldon, Justin, Ray and Brooks collapse that pocket toward Brees? If we can, then it truly will be a long night for him. Then, we run run run with Gore and Co. and keep him on ice on the sidelines. Then, 1.5 sec ain't going to matter worth a darn to them.

Our defense will dictate terms!

The front of the pocket is the key. No QB can throw effectively if they have pressure in their face. Therein lies a key to Brees' success; he has two All Pro guards and a pretty good center giving him clear vision forward and room to step into his throws. Unless Sopoaga, Justin and McDonald can win the battle against those guards with some measure of consistency, it could be a long day. Aldon and Brooks can be coming from the outside but if Brees can step up and avoid them it won't matter.

Stunts with Aldon and Justin just like in the Steelers game. Bring Aldon up the middle
I thought I watched a game with two seconds on the clock and the quaterback couldnt even down the ball in those 2 seconds. Something wrong somewhere.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Can we get pressure with just our starting Nickle DL? Can just Aldon, Justin, Ray and Brooks collapse that pocket toward Brees? If we can, then it truly will be a long night for him. Then, we run run run with Gore and Co. and keep him on ice on the sidelines. Then, 1.5 sec ain't going to matter worth a darn to them.

Our defense will dictate terms!

The front of the pocket is the key. No QB can throw effectively if they have pressure in their face. Therein lies a key to Brees' success; he has two All Pro guards and a pretty good center giving him clear vision forward and room to step into his throws. Unless Sopoaga, Justin and McDonald can win the battle against those guards with some measure of consistency, it could be a long day. Aldon and Brooks can be coming from the outside but if Brees can step up and avoid them it won't matter.

Stunts with Aldon and Justin just like in the Steelers game. Bring Aldon up the middle

this. Get Aldon in Brees face, and even if he doesn't get there, let him flap his gigantic arms and make the midget throw over him. Interceptions will rain from the sky.

also, McDonald's hamstring could have a big effect on this game. I hope it doesn't but its definitely something to keep an eye on, it seems.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Stunts with Aldon and Justin just like in the Steelers game. Bring Aldon up the middle

Exactly!

Also, the occasion ILB blitz down the middle could be very effective as well, just a sprinkle here and there at the right times in the game. We can stop their running game and make them one dimensional. Still, it's Brees. He's going to get his. We just have to limit how many times by being in his face all game long! When you frustrate any QB, especially emotional ones like Brees and Rodgers, you can disrupt them well.

Even our Great Joe Cool had his moments of frustration and made bad plays, few of them of course.

This game will be dictated by THE SMITHS!!! They're comin' to get ya, Brees!!!
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Shaj:
It takes more than 1.5 seconds to wait for a receiver to be absolutely, positively open with no chance of an INT.

Not if the receivers and the QB have had enough time together to fully understand the interworking relationship between the two. However, there is no such thing as NO chance of an INT. There is always that chance for a variety of reasons.

The key point here is that Brees and the entire NO offense has been together for years. There are multiple players playing at Pro Bowl levels in that offense. The receivers are second only to Green Bay in terms of depth and quality.

A key component of that quality is the SIZE of their receivers. Excluding Lance Moore (unavailable due to injury), their WRs average 6'2". TEs are 6'5" and 6'6". The NO front office has shown excellent insight into the impact of the new rules against hitting a defenseless receiver. With receivers no longer having to worry about getting smacked in the ribs while fully extended for the ball, they have drafted tall receivers that can go up above DBs who average 6' or shorter. This gives Brees a big advantage in terms of trust. They are playing the game above the heads of the DBs in many cases. A receiver does not have to have horizontal separation to be open if they have a 12" reach advantage over the DB. The NO receivers are the future of the passing game in the NFL. While there will always be a certain spot for a Kyle Williams, his lack of height will always work against him and the QB.

Lots of things to consider in evaluation of why a QB can get the ball out quickly.

If Drew Brees played lousy, couldn't we chalk it up to his measly 6' stature? Zack Thomas was way too diminutive for his position as well, as was Dwight Freeney, as is Darren Sproles. I think either you play well or you don't. It's not your intention, but you are making excuses for a QB that flat out plays well. And if it was Smith, you'd be making excuses the other direction. This is what I'm talking about.

Shaj, your filter is screwed on so tight you missed the point I was making.

I did nothing to belittle Brees. I was complimenting the New Orleans front office for understanding the new rules and selecting players that allow a very good QB to play even better.

Go back and look at recent NO games. One of the most consistent things you will notice is how many times their receivers go up into the air to catch a ball above the reach of the defender.

It takes nothing away from Brees to note that the 49ers have no one like this on their current roster even though they tried and failed with Braylon Edwards. I don't expect them to fail again in the spring draft. The trend to taller receivers around the league is very clear. NO has taken the lead in this respect but you can be certain others will follow. The ability to throw early to a tall receiver who does not have horizontal separation is a great advantage.
You watched the whole game while using a stop watch? You watched it by yourself right?
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Moral:
If Coach Harbaugh has alex taking 3, 5 or worse, 7 step drops, based on last nite's game, all passes from those step drops would fail. The Saints and Lions Ds give the QB no more time than that. Even on a 20+ yd pass, Brees still had it airborne in under 1.5 Seconds.

So you say Brees was hitting a full speed WR 10 yards in 1.5 seconds.. but was the same timed release 50 yards down the field?? Did the WR all of a sudden become 5X faster?
Originally posted by angelv05:
You watched the whole game while using a stop watch? You watched it by yourself right?

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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Shaj:
It takes more than 1.5 seconds to wait for a receiver to be absolutely, positively open with no chance of an INT.

Not if the receivers and the QB have had enough time together to fully understand the interworking relationship between the two. However, there is no such thing as NO chance of an INT. There is always that chance for a variety of reasons.

The key point here is that Brees and the entire NO offense has been together for years. There are multiple players playing at Pro Bowl levels in that offense. The receivers are second only to Green Bay in terms of depth and quality.

A key component of that quality is the SIZE of their receivers. Excluding Lance Moore (unavailable due to injury), their WRs average 6'2". TEs are 6'5" and 6'6". The NO front office has shown excellent insight into the impact of the new rules against hitting a defenseless receiver. With receivers no longer having to worry about getting smacked in the ribs while fully extended for the ball, they have drafted tall receivers that can go up above DBs who average 6' or shorter. This gives Brees a big advantage in terms of trust. They are playing the game above the heads of the DBs in many cases. A receiver does not have to have horizontal separation to be open if they have a 12" reach advantage over the DB. The NO receivers are the future of the passing game in the NFL. While there will always be a certain spot for a Kyle Williams, his lack of height will always work against him and the QB.

Lots of things to consider in evaluation of why a QB can get the ball out quickly.

If Drew Brees played lousy, couldn't we chalk it up to his measly 6' stature? Zack Thomas was way too diminutive for his position as well, as was Dwight Freeney, as is Darren Sproles. I think either you play well or you don't. It's not your intention, but you are making excuses for a QB that flat out plays well. And if it was Smith, you'd be making excuses the other direction. This is what I'm talking about.

huh? he's talking about how tall the wide receivers are.

I realize that, but the point is, it is a form of excuses. For instance, let's say we drafted Desean Jackson. There'd be excuses here that Jackson is a diminutive receiver as compared to NO and therefore Alex doesn't have weapons. Do you not see this??
Originally posted by dj43:
Two points:

1. The reason Brees can get the ball out as quickly as he does is because of the time he and his receivers have had with this offense.

2. The quality of his receiving corp, particularly how well they read defenses, gives him a great deal of confidence to throw the ball knowing if he is slightly off target they will go get it.

The main thrust of this article underscores why most early draft mocks have the 49ers taking a WR in the first round, second at the latest.

1. Of course time in the offense affects this attribute but he's also a great QB and has great anticipation which is the primary reason for him getting the ball out so quickly. His best receivers: one wasn't on the team last year and the other is in his best receiver never played football in college and it is only his 2nd year in the NFL. Explain that.

2. I don't agree with this at all. His receivers also dropped some balls in the game vs DET. They make the plays because the ball is thrown often where they are allowed to make the plays. They expect it and those plays are no thinking quick react and catch instincts. Crabtree has great hands and Ginn has shown he can make the difficult catch but has had issues with the wide open ones. Receivers are quoted time and time that the wide open ones are the harder ones and QB's even say the wide open throws are the harder ones to throw.
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Shaj:
It takes more than 1.5 seconds to wait for a receiver to be absolutely, positively open with no chance of an INT.

Not if the receivers and the QB have had enough time together to fully understand the interworking relationship between the two. However, there is no such thing as NO chance of an INT. There is always that chance for a variety of reasons.

The key point here is that Brees and the entire NO offense has been together for years. There are multiple players playing at Pro Bowl levels in that offense. The receivers are second only to Green Bay in terms of depth and quality.

A key component of that quality is the SIZE of their receivers. Excluding Lance Moore (unavailable due to injury), their WRs average 6'2". TEs are 6'5" and 6'6". The NO front office has shown excellent insight into the impact of the new rules against hitting a defenseless receiver. With receivers no longer having to worry about getting smacked in the ribs while fully extended for the ball, they have drafted tall receivers that can go up above DBs who average 6' or shorter. This gives Brees a big advantage in terms of trust. They are playing the game above the heads of the DBs in many cases. A receiver does not have to have horizontal separation to be open if they have a 12" reach advantage over the DB. The NO receivers are the future of the passing game in the NFL. While there will always be a certain spot for a Kyle Williams, his lack of height will always work against him and the QB.

Lots of things to consider in evaluation of why a QB can get the ball out quickly.

If Drew Brees played lousy, couldn't we chalk it up to his measly 6' stature? Zack Thomas was way too diminutive for his position as well, as was Dwight Freeney, as is Darren Sproles. I think either you play well or you don't. It's not your intention, but you are making excuses for a QB that flat out plays well. And if it was Smith, you'd be making excuses the other direction. This is what I'm talking about.

huh? he's talking about how tall the wide receivers are.

I realize that, but the point is, it is a form of excuses. For instance, let's say we drafted Desean Jackson. There'd be excuses here that Jackson is a diminutive receiver as compared to NO and therefore Alex doesn't have weapons. Do you not see this??

you're the one talking about Alex dude.
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Stunts with Aldon and Justin just like in the Steelers game. Bring Aldon up the middle

Exactly!

Also, the occasion ILB blitz down the middle could be very effective as well, just a sprinkle here and there at the right times in the game. We can stop their running game and make them one dimensional. Still, it's Brees. He's going to get his. We just have to limit how many times by being in his face all game long! When you frustrate any QB, especially emotional ones like Brees and Rodgers, you can disrupt them well.

Even our Great Joe Cool had his moments of frustration and made bad plays, few of them of course.

This game will be dictated by THE SMITHS!!! They're comin' to get ya, Brees!!!

I'm worried about running too many stunts. They will kill us with certain plays if we try too many stunts and I'm sure the Saints know we do that well and need to stuff Brees from the front. What I would do is tighten up Justin Smith and Ice up front. Allow Aldon to commit around but stop and flatten his rush to about the 5 yard deep mark and meet Brees on his step forward as he loves to do and assign Justin Smith and ICE to go full boar on the front push.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Two points:

1. The reason Brees can get the ball out as quickly as he does is because of the time he and his receivers have had with this offense.

2. The quality of his receiving corp, particularly how well they read defenses, gives him a great deal of confidence to throw the ball knowing if he is slightly off target they will go get it.

The main thrust of this article underscores why most early draft mocks have the 49ers taking a WR in the first round, second at the latest.

1. Of course time in the offense affects this attribute but he's also a great QB and has great anticipation which is the primary reason for him getting the ball out so quickly. His best receivers: one wasn't on the team last year and the other is in his best receiver never played football in college and it is only his 2nd year in the NFL. Explain that.

2. I don't agree with this at all. His receivers also dropped some balls in the game vs DET. They make the plays because the ball is thrown often where they are allowed to make the plays. They expect it and those plays are no thinking quick react and catch instincts. Crabtree has great hands and Ginn has shown he can make the difficult catch but has had issues with the wide open ones. Receivers are quoted time and time that the wide open ones are the harder ones and QB's even say the wide open throws are the harder ones to throw.

you both make good points but I think we can all agree that familiarity and consistency in offensive philosophy have a major factor in the success of a passing game. Familiarity can be gained in a year if everyone is healthy to practice every week. Consistency allows newcomers to get up to speed more quickly.

Brees is scary accurate, and his receivers make plays on balls in the air. Its symbiotic, and very hard to defend.