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Why are we so bad in the Red Zone??
Why are we so bad in the Red Zone??
Dec 13, 2011 at 8:11 PM
- overthemiddle
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We seem to move the ball very well till we get to the red zone. A defense will always take something away, I dont see adjustments in the plays to compensate for that. If they are stacking the box so there are other plays that takes advantage of that. It seems that we become ultra conservative once we reach that mark. Coupled with droped passes and penalities its no wonder why we dont score in that area of the field. Yes execution is paramount no matter what play you call. The o-line isnt doing its job in either run blocking and pass protecting. The talent is there and the coaching is there, once this problem is resolved the Niners will be a team to reckon with.
Dec 13, 2011 at 8:13 PM
- thechamber52
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very bad play calling in the red zone
Dec 13, 2011 at 9:01 PM
- sfninerfanMax
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i think the team has to play more spread offense inside the 20 and run/pass from it. Spread that defense out. Play both Gore and Hunter in the backfield. Try Dixon for smashmouth. Keep Williams/ Crabtree/Davis on the field for 100% of redzone plays--these are the playmakers--edwards is not a playmaker/ Ginn is not a playmaker ( other than special teams) walker is not a playmaker---other than a game or two a season. In a spread offense Smith can run sometimes--just keep the defense off balance.
Dec 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM
- blizzuntz
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We r saving our money plays for the playoffs. If we could execute the plays we run now could work
Dec 13, 2011 at 9:19 PM
- SanDiego49er
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I think play calling is our biggest issue. We don't even try there. We get first and goal at the 6 yard line and just run up the middle. Against an 8 or 9 man box. It's as if we are settling for a field goal because we know we have a good defense and don't want to turn it over and don't want to give up sure points. But we could be a bit more aggressive and more creative down there.
Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by tohara3:
This. We have got to have a more aggressive approach or we will get kicked right out of the playoffs by kicking to many d@mn field goals!
It's true...the catch 22 is that Alex is going to have less than three seconds to throw anyhow, guaranteed, which means he'll still only have time to look at his first option before he gets crushed/sacked (6 sacks and 10 hits last game alone not to mention uncounted pressures). So Roman is gong max protection (on the outside with extra TE's and OL) and teams are then just run blitzing up the gut with numbers. Even when we keep Gore/Hunter in, they are left trying to block two guys.
My only solution to a porous OL that is outnumbered is quite simple. I'm confident Boone and Davis can block or at least hold off their pass rush on the outside for 3 seconds. The blitz is coming up the gut with LB's and Safeties, generally. Therefore, throw were they vacated. You can still keep a Gore/Hunter and Miller in to block the middle but run Davis/Walker/Peele off the edge right in the middle of the field. Or, line up your WR's close to the OT's and run dig routes (or pick plays) in the middle of the field. Once we start having success in the middle of the field, the inside run will open up as well as the outside WR's.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 14, 2011 at 8:13 AM ]
Dec 14, 2011 at 7:27 AM
- enker1700
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I think it could also be the fact that we are not fully utilizing some of our player's physical ability.......
for example:
a. Alex Smith is a great athlete and we don't ever use roll outs, sprint outs, boot legs, QB draws (to a lesser extent) to get him on the perimeter and get the defense scrambling.
b. Ted Ginn is one of, if not THE fastest player on our team and we don't ever use reverses, end arounds, hitches, WR screens, or even a small/limited wild cat package for him, etc, to get him into space and let him run.
c. Edwards and Crabtree are both big receivers and we don't run alot of post-corner/flag routes or "jump balls" to utilize the bigger receivers. We seem to see alot of fade routes and with a jump ball, you don't have to be terribly accurate. Living in NY, I have been subjected to a lot of Jets games and the one thing that I CAN tell you is that Braylon Edwards, a lot more often than not, WILL come down with jump balls; and lastly.....
d. Vernon Davis is an absolute matchup nightmare. He is too strong for DB's to cover him and too fast for most LBers to cover him, so we should use that to our advantage. If he has a DB on him, let him work to the inside on either a slant or a skinny post because the DB will most likely not be able to jam him at the line; and if there is a LB on him, let him work to the outside on either a fade route or a double move because the LB most likely won't be able to keep up with him.....
Thoughts??
for example:
a. Alex Smith is a great athlete and we don't ever use roll outs, sprint outs, boot legs, QB draws (to a lesser extent) to get him on the perimeter and get the defense scrambling.
b. Ted Ginn is one of, if not THE fastest player on our team and we don't ever use reverses, end arounds, hitches, WR screens, or even a small/limited wild cat package for him, etc, to get him into space and let him run.
c. Edwards and Crabtree are both big receivers and we don't run alot of post-corner/flag routes or "jump balls" to utilize the bigger receivers. We seem to see alot of fade routes and with a jump ball, you don't have to be terribly accurate. Living in NY, I have been subjected to a lot of Jets games and the one thing that I CAN tell you is that Braylon Edwards, a lot more often than not, WILL come down with jump balls; and lastly.....
d. Vernon Davis is an absolute matchup nightmare. He is too strong for DB's to cover him and too fast for most LBers to cover him, so we should use that to our advantage. If he has a DB on him, let him work to the inside on either a slant or a skinny post because the DB will most likely not be able to jam him at the line; and if there is a LB on him, let him work to the outside on either a fade route or a double move because the LB most likely won't be able to keep up with him.....
Thoughts??
Dec 14, 2011 at 7:34 AM
- GolittaCamper
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Lack of confidence in Alex Smith, from coaching staff, and Alex Smith! I love what Alex has done this season, but he needs to find his inner gunslinger!
Dec 14, 2011 at 7:35 AM
- laughsatyou
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We suck in the redzone because we have a weak O-linel, a subpar Quarterback, an extremely overrated TE, and an extremely weak Recieving corp, combined with an offensive strategy that is based on not turning the ball over at all costs.
Dec 14, 2011 at 7:37 AM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tohara3:
This. We have got to have a more aggressive approach or we will get kicked right out of the playoffs by kicking to many d@mn field goals!
It's true...the catch 22 is that Alex is going to have less than three seconds to throw anyhow, guaranteed, which means he'll still only have time to look at his first option before he gets crushed/sacked (6 sacks and 10 hits last game alone not to mention uncounted pressures). So Roman is gong max protection (on the outside with extra TE's and OL) and teams are then just run blitzing up the gut with numbers. Even when we keep Gore/Hunter in, they are left trying to block two guys.
My only solution to a porous OL that is outnumbered is quite simple. I'm confident Boone and Davis can block or at least hold off their pass rush on the outside for 3 seconds. The blitz is coming up the gut with LB's and Safeties, generally. Therefore, throw were they vacated. You can still keep a Gore/Hunter and Miller in to block the middle but run Davis/Walker/Peele off the edge right in the middle of the field. Or, line up your WR's close to the OT's and run dig routes or pick plays) in the middle of the field. Once we start having success in the middle of the field, the inside run will open up as well as the outside WR's.
Smith will have to trust his receivers and let the ball fly before their cut. Just the way it is in the NFL...have to try and hopefully keep the ball away from the defender as much as possible, but these guys are pros as well. Hitting Edwards on the hip is a statement I enjoyed! When people argue he can't make that quick throw...they are wrong.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM ]
Dec 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM
- Sourball
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Originally posted by enker1700:
I think it could also be the fact that we are not fully utilizing some of our player's physical ability.......
for example:
a. Alex Smith is a great athlete and we don't ever use roll outs, sprint outs, boot legs, QB draws (to a lesser extent) to get him on the perimeter and get the defense scrambling.
b. Ted Ginn is one of, if not THE fastest player on our team and we don't ever use reverses, end arounds, hitches, WR screens, or even a small/limited wild cat package for him, etc, to get him into space and let him run.
c. Edwards and Crabtree are both big receivers and we don't run alot of post-corner/flag routes or "jump balls" to utilize the bigger receivers. We seem to see alot of fade routes and with a jump ball, you don't have to be terribly accurate. Living in NY, I have been subjected to a lot of Jets games and the one thing that I CAN tell you is that Braylon Edwards, a lot more often than not, WILL come down with jump balls; and lastly.....
d. Vernon Davis is an absolute matchup nightmare. He is too strong for DB's to cover him and too fast for most LBers to cover him, so we should use that to our advantage. If he has a DB on him, let him work to the inside on either a slant or a skinny post because the DB will most likely not be able to jam him at the line; and if there is a LB on him, let him work to the outside on either a fade route or a double move because the LB most likely won't be able to keep up with him.....
Thoughts??
Maybe if Vernon Davis concentrated on football during football season and art and interior decorating in the off season, THEN he can become a matchup nightmare. Until then he is an interior decorator/artist with sub-par football hands
Dec 14, 2011 at 8:16 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Smith will have to trust his receivers and let the ball fly before their cut. Just the way it is in the NFL...have to try and hopefully keep the ball away from the defender as much as possible, but these guys are pros as well. Hitting Edwards on the hip is a statement I enjoyed! When people argue he can make that quick throw...they are wrong.
True...for outside passes to his WR (throwing to back shoulder, etc.). But for what I mentioned above, the middle of the field is wide open b/c it's being vacated by blitzers; sometimes both ILBers and even Safeties. It's simple pitch and catch for big gains and TD's in the red zone. You could even swing a RB or FB just behind and beyond the LOS or utilize WR's on quick slants or crossing patterns and pick plays...all to expose the middle of the field where blitzers have vacated to rush Alex Smith. He should only need less than three seconds and his first option should be open right away.
Dec 14, 2011 at 8:33 AM
- Rubberneck36
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We either run to the middle, or throw to the outside. Everyone knows it. Need to mix it up more, and throw to the middle of the field with our bigger receivers. Also wouldnt mind seeing runners bounce it outside a bit.
Dec 14, 2011 at 8:50 AM
- hps49
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San Francisco Field-Goalers lol
Dec 14, 2011 at 8:58 AM
- qnnhan7
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Have Smith look to the middle for VD. If he's covered like he is usually then go quickly to the outside. If the play is designed to go to someone else, if it's not there, look for VD. The point is to give VD the first and last look if he can. He's as close to a 'go to' guy at the goal line as we have at this point. Like they often look for Jerry Rice down there. Why not...?