Make no mistake about it, Fangio was thoroughly out-coached

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
Ray Rice said the 49er defense was the best he's faced all year. The person who started this post says that Fangio was out-coached even though the D only gave up 16 points. Who knows more about football, pro RB who just played the game, or over-emotional fan who just watched the game?

If you don't think Pagano by far had a better gameplan, you're absolutely nuts. Fangio's defense shut down Ray Rice, Pagano's defense shut down THE 49ERS. There's the difference, that and 9 sacks and unrelenting pressure on Alex Smith while Joe Flacco was hanging around in the pocket, pleasantly taking his time and making passes on 3rd down after 3rd down after 3rd down to put the game out of reach. What's the point of a 3-4 team that refuses to be versatile and change things up when they simply aren't getting the pressure they need to get?

Instead of Ray Rice busting a long run, the 49ers died a slow bleed with Flacco completing pass after pass to Boldin and their tight-ends, completely untouched and unsacked. Even if the 49ers had tied the game up it wouldn't matter because Flacco would go back to chilling out in the pocket and hitting receiver after receiver with the 49ers defense flailing about helplessly.

No, I'm not nuts. Firstly, giving up 16 points in a game is nothing to be embarrassed about. Secondly, if Snyder had not gotten injured, would you still think he had a better gameplan. It's been proven this year that the entire offensive line suffers when Rachal is in it. Pass protection in the game was better before Snyder got injured. Thirdly, the 49ers were arguably only 3 plays away from winning the game. Chop block -7 Niners, Brown INT Penalty +3 Ravens, Smith INT -3 Niners. Those 3 plays accounted for a 13 point swing. Final score could've been a 16-13 49er win without the mistakes. Not to mention the emotional swing in points rewarded.

Fangio had an inferior game plan because he had one day of practice to install his game plan this week. See the Matt Barrows article where he says that despite the coaching staff having a whole lockout to prepare for every team, they had no time to teach it to the players. The Ravens had two days to practice, or double the time. The end.

you know where we lost the game? when we ran on fricking 3rd down and long. you show fear and that crap spreads.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Going with the same vanilla 4 man rush with Flacco having ridiculous amounts of time to pass the ball while Pagano was mixing up timely blitzes and keeping consistent pressure in the face of Alex Smith all game long. 49ers talent was under-utilized while Pagano maxed out what he had and made the Ravens look stellar, even without Ray Lewis in the lineup.

Make no mistake about it, your a moron!

Originally posted by Sman:
stupid.....they allowed 16 points!!!! in a short week!! This was on the O, and #11....and #62

Don't forget Norris as well (sorry can't recall number off hand 44??) at least we offically know HOW Much we need Snyder and Miller in the lineup now.

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
Ray Rice said the 49er defense was the best he's faced all year. The person who started this post says that Fangio was out-coached even though the D only gave up 16 points. Who knows more about football, pro RB who just played the game, or over-emotional fan who just watched the game?

If you don't think Pagano by far had a better gameplan, you're absolutely nuts. Fangio's defense shut down Ray Rice, Pagano's defense shut down THE 49ERS. There's the difference, that and 9 sacks and unrelenting pressure on Alex Smith while Joe Flacco was hanging around in the pocket, pleasantly taking his time and making passes on 3rd down after 3rd down after 3rd down to put the game out of reach. What's the point of a 3-4 team that refuses to be versatile and change things up when they simply aren't getting the pressure they need to get?

Instead of Ray Rice busting a long run, the 49ers died a slow bleed with Flacco completing pass after pass to Boldin and their tight-ends, completely untouched and unsacked. Even if the 49ers had tied the game up it wouldn't matter because Flacco would go back to chilling out in the pocket and hitting receiver after receiver with the 49ers defense flailing about helplessly.

No, I'm not nuts. Firstly, giving up 16 points in a game is nothing to be embarrassed about. Secondly, if Snyder had not gotten injured, would you still think he had a better gameplan. It's been proven this year that the entire offensive line suffers when Rachal is in it. Pass protection in the game was better before Snyder got injured. Thirdly, the 49ers were arguably only 3 plays away from winning the game. Chop block -7 Niners, Brown INT Penalty +3 Ravens, Smith INT -3 Niners. Those 3 plays accounted for a 13 point swing. Final score could've been a 16-13 49er win without the mistakes. Not to mention the emotional swing in points rewarded.

+1 I really think we coulda and shoulda won the game, It's ok I have faith IF we see them again We will have not problem on a normal week or two of preparation that we'll win Go Niners!

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
No, I'm not nuts. Firstly, giving up 16 points in a game is nothing to be embarrassed about. Secondly, if Snyder had not gotten injured, would you still think he had a better gameplan. It's been proven this year that the entire offensive line suffers when Rachal is in it. Pass protection in the game was better before Snyder got injured. Thirdly, the 49ers were arguably only 3 plays away from winning the game. Chop block -7 Niners, Brown INT Penalty +3 Ravens, Smith INT -3 Niners. Those 3 plays accounted for a 13 point swing. Final score could've been a 16-13 49er win without the mistakes. Not to mention the emotional swing in points rewarded.

What does Snyder being injured have to do with the absolute lack of pass-rush by the 49ers????

Originally posted by ninercrue666:
Make no mistake about it, your a moron!

It's you're, not your.........weak sauce.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:
No, I'm not nuts. Firstly, giving up 16 points in a game is nothing to be embarrassed about. Secondly, if Snyder had not gotten injured, would you still think he had a better gameplan. It's been proven this year that the entire offensive line suffers when Rachal is in it. Pass protection in the game was better before Snyder got injured. Thirdly, the 49ers were arguably only 3 plays away from winning the game. Chop block -7 Niners, Brown INT Penalty +3 Ravens, Smith INT -3 Niners. Those 3 plays accounted for a 13 point swing. Final score could've been a 16-13 49er win without the mistakes. Not to mention the emotional swing in points rewarded.

What does Snyder being injured have to do with the absolute lack of pass-rush by the 49ers????

nothing but neither does the assertion that our D got "torched" by Flacco. he had 174 total yds and 1 TD. i would not call that torched. That is the D that we run so like it when we win and Lose.

Summary:

The Ravens beat us at our own game, because this is how they've been doing it for more than a decade.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Going with the same vanilla 4 man rush with Flacco having ridiculous amounts of time to pass the ball while Pagano was mixing up timely blitzes and keeping consistent pressure in the face of Alex Smith all game long. 49ers talent was under-utilized while Pagano maxed out what he had and made the Ravens look stellar, even without Ray Lewis in the lineup.

did you watch the game or stuff your face with turkey and watch only half of it. I watched the dvr twice. The niners got pressure throughout the game. Flacco did have moments where he had time. We almost sacked him 3 times. Towards the end of the game he had time due to our 3 and outs on offense. You think maybe the trek through 3 time zones had an effect in the 4th quarter also? You rush more than 4 against that offense you expose a weakness of the niners. The back end. They have played this way all year. Rush 4, Keep everything in front of you and play in your gaps. Bend but dont break. It was 6 t0 6 going into the 4th quarter. If not for the 40 yard penalty on the questionable call and the fingertips push by davis we would be in this game and more than likely ahead. Not only that but if whitner tackles the receiver before the first down marker on 3rd down then the ravens are off the field and they dont go in for that touchdown. Woulda coulda shoulda but still as throughly as the oline got dominated throughout the game we still have chances to win. But hey coach zoner ill take your coaching tactics over fangio anyday. One game and the Piehole smack returns. It truly smells.

ravens fan here .

Just wanted to say, hands down the best defense we have played all year.
If it wasnt for a couple calls the game could have gone either way honestly.

Very impressed with your D, and your team as a whole.

Good luck going forward, please beat the stoolers too for us

Hope to see yall again this year,
THAT would be a helluva game.

Originally posted by MarcB:
ravens fan here .

Just wanted to say, hands down the best defense we have played all year.
If it wasnt for a couple calls the game could have gone either way honestly.

Very impressed with your D, and your team as a whole.

Good luck going forward, please beat the stoolers too for us

Hope to see yall again this year,
THAT would be a helluva game.

Likewise. I give credit to John Harbaugh for giving respect to the Niners. Then again, Jim may have to start kicking him in the shins ;) :D :p : Jim's words, not mine haha. But yeah, Harbowl II will be cool.

Originally posted by MarcB:
ravens fan here .

Just wanted to say, hands down the best defense we have played all year.
If it wasnt for a couple calls the game could have gone either way honestly.

Very impressed with your D, and your team as a whole.

Good luck going forward, please beat the stoolers too for us

Hope to see yall again this year,
THAT would be a helluva game.

Only if you promise to tied up Suggs in the bathroom after halftime in the next meeting. We want pictures or it ain't legit.

okay, i've made 2 observations on this but here is bottom line: I don't enjoy the loss, but I appreciate being exposed where we are weak. RG , FB, and DBs.
The Texans and Saints games were eerily similar to this one. DLs just crushed thru our OL. Well, after those two humiliations, Coach H worked on improving the OL and has done a masterful job. Obviously the OL needs practice on cross rushing, blitz pickup, blitz recognition, and finally what to do if those things happen anyway...as they did. First thing is JH can coach around some of that merely by running the 2min drill(not letting them substitute their D packages,) and second, with jailhouse break on every snap, JH should have had alex throw nothing but 1 steppers. That stops 4,5,,6, 7 or 8 man line pretty quick. For some reason he tried that once, then never again. Same for two min drill. We had the Ravens back on their heels and they never recovered . Then Coach stopped it. Doesn't matter the reasons, but Coach H has already seen that for himself. We didn't get hurt by this loss, and in a way, the wake up call may very well have helped us in the NFC later on. We have to be able to respond to this kind of D, because we will see it again in the playoffs.

As for the O, against a full out balz to the walz DL, we should have passed quick outs and slants, all 1 steppers. Coach didn't but will next time. I think Jh got his comeupance, and know he is fully capable of fixing most of this. Rachal...ummm, that's another matter. I hope it doesn't mean we need to spend another 1st rounder on the OL, but if so, so be it. If Rachal doesn't get it by end of this yr, then yeah, he was a bust...be it mental or physical. Still and all, altho a a hard game to watch, it alerted
Coach to what we absolutely positively have to get fixed. OL and Pass D. Oh yeah, Ravens also stole our advantage in field position , mainly brot on by so many 3 and outs.

Or maybe, just maybe, JH was trying not to let the Rams know our plays.....Nah...