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Great Article on Gore's Big Runs
Oct 17, 2011 at 5:38 PM
- smashmouth51
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Now I want to see the fake handoff to Gore/Hunter and Alex jit Ginn on a skinny post from the left for about a 10 yd catch and a 50 yd run after the catch. Who, not named Hester, would catch Ginn from behind.
Oct 17, 2011 at 6:10 PM
- Youngb
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Originally posted by caSTATEofMIND:
i got a feeling harbaugh pulled a water boy and stole raye's and singletarys playbook
Oct 17, 2011 at 7:08 PM
- THEB
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Gore was already a yard passed the first down marker before anyone even tried to tackle him. nice! too bad he doesnt have the top end speed or he would have had 2 huge TDs on both of those runs.
Oct 20, 2011 at 9:33 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by THEB:
Gore was already a yard passed the first down marker before anyone even tried to tackle him. nice! too bad he doesnt have the top end speed or he would have had 2 huge TDs on both of those runs.
Why Gore >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter
Speaking of top end speed. The play design alone didn't allow Gore to break those big runs. Did you notice the free tackler (SS or FS) coming in to fill the hole? Gore has such an awesome burst off of his cuts and he is sooooo smooth while cutting that he saw that unblocked Safety, cut and instantly turned it upfield and blew right passed him.
Why should you be so impressed?
Hunter had the exact same play called for him on our last TD scoring drive. He had just as big of a hole as did Gore. What did he do? Hunter, shot through the hole, but when HE saw the unblocked Safety fill down, he studder-stepped instead of making one cut upfield. FS tackled him for only a 7 yard gain. FS was the last defender and if he dodges that, it's a TD.
Oct 20, 2011 at 9:54 AM
- NinerG94
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Why Gore >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter
Speaking of top end speed. The play design alone didn't allow Gore to break those big runs. Did you notice the free tackler (SS or FS) coming in to fill the hole? Gore has such an awesome burst off of his cuts and he is sooooo smooth while cutting that he saw that unblocked Safety, cut and instantly turned it upfield and blew right passed him.
Why should you be so impressed?
Hunter had the exact same play called for him on our last TD scoring drive. He had just as big of a hole as did Gore. What did he do? Hunter, shot through the hole, but when HE saw the unblocked Safety fill down, he studder-stepped instead of making one cut upfield. FS tackled him for only a 7 yard gain. FS was the last defender and if he dodges that, it's a TD.
Great post. Gore's ability to keep his speed while cutting along with how low he stays at those speeds are what make him so special. Combine that with great vision, and outstanding recieving and blocking ability and you have yourself a superstar! GO FRANK!
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM
- Sinsation
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Originally posted by Joecool:exactly right. one of the things people overlook is how smart Frank is. I mean, its been said over and over again how easy he picks things up. Sees a play once and has it down pat. The vision that running backs have comes from the knowing the game. Seeing the defense, knowing the play, where all the blocks are, where the defenders are coming from, and using that knowledge to see where the lanes are/will be and when and where to cut back.
Why Gore >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter
Speaking of top end speed. The play design alone didn't allow Gore to break those big runs. Did you notice the free tackler (SS or FS) coming in to fill the hole? Gore has such an awesome burst off of his cuts and he is sooooo smooth while cutting that he saw that unblocked Safety, cut and instantly turned it upfield and blew right passed him.
Why should you be so impressed?
Hunter had the exact same play called for him on our last TD scoring drive. He had just as big of a hole as did Gore. What did he do? Hunter, shot through the hole, but when HE saw the unblocked Safety fill down, he studder-stepped instead of making one cut upfield. FS tackled him for only a 7 yard gain. FS was the last defender and if he dodges that, it's a TD.
I wouldnt say that Frank has lost a step for sure, i think its some lingering effects from the hip/ankle injuries. When he has a clean hole, that burst is there. I can picture him outrunning a defense if he's untouched. But making those cuts take a lot out of you, esp with those prior injuries(which I dont think are really fully healed). I can envision that later in the season, as defenses get worn out, having a fresher/healthier Frank Gore(with Hunter taking some carries now) will translate into more long TD runs.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:07 AM
- Joecool
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Once Hunter learns, if at all, that he doesn't need to run full speed until the final "burst" cut, then he will see why Gore never needs to studder step to slow down. Inexperienced players or players who never get it never understand that you rarely need to run full speed during the developing phases of a play.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:12 AM
- Oakland-Niner
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Once Hunter learns, if at all, that he doesn't need to run full speed until the final "burst" cut, then he will see why Gore never needs to studder step to slow down. Inexperienced players or players who never get it never understand that you rarely need to run full speed during the developing phases of a play.
Aint that the truth! In one of his long plays, he actually looks to stop in the backfield. I thought he was going to get tackled, but he was just waiting to let the play develop. When it did, he turned it on and went for 40 plus yards......Great, great, great, vision and patience.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:15 AM
- Rubberneck36
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Great article. Loved it!
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:16 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Once Hunter learns, if at all, that he doesn't need to run full speed until the final "burst" cut, then he will see why Gore never needs to studder step to slow down. Inexperienced players or players who never get it never understand that you rarely need to run full speed during the developing phases of a play.
Aint that the truth! In one of his long plays, he actually looks to stop in the backfield. I thought he was going to get tackled, but he was just waiting to let the play develop. When it did, he turned it on and went for 40 plus yards......Great, great, great, vision and patience.
This is what separates the great 4.5 or 4.6 receivers from the over rated 4.3 receivers. This is also why it took Vernon a while to figure out that full speed = bad routes.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:22 AM
- GhostofFredDean74
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I love Frank as much as the next guy, but let's be real here....any RB in the NFL can run through some of the holes the line has created (and the coaches have schemed up) over the last 4 games. The difference is, many of those RBs would've taken at least a few of those to the house, which Frank is clearly not capable of doing at this stage of his career. When the holes weren't there earlier in the year and the o-line was still struggling to gain cohesion, people were talking about Frank being done, over-the-hill and a waste of roster space.
Now, all of a sudden, Frank is a world-beater again.
But is it that Frank needed a few games to get his legs back? Or is the offensive line/scheme creating running lanes that most of us on this board could run through?
Believe me, I'm not taking shots at Frank at all. I'm just trying to put things in to perspective and give credit where credit is due.
Now, all of a sudden, Frank is a world-beater again.
But is it that Frank needed a few games to get his legs back? Or is the offensive line/scheme creating running lanes that most of us on this board could run through?
Believe me, I'm not taking shots at Frank at all. I'm just trying to put things in to perspective and give credit where credit is due.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:22 AM
- PacTiger
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Isn't this a trap block? I guess if a TE hits a guy from the side its called a wham but if a guard comes across the center and blocks it's called a trap.
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:40 AM
- fandemonium
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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Damn that s**t is sick! Would make Raye's head spin!
or at least stir him from his sleep
I'm not so sure. He'd look at the play and say "just like I always told 'em. Just run it up the middle and you'll be fine!"
Oct 20, 2011 at 10:44 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I love Frank as much as the next guy, but let's be real here....any RB in the NFL can run through some of the holes the line has created (and the coaches have schemed up) over the last 4 games. The difference is, many of those RBs would've taken at least a few of those to the house, which Frank is clearly not capable of doing at this stage of his career. When the holes weren't there earlier in the year and the o-line was still struggling to gain cohesion, people were talking about Frank being done, over-the-hill and a waste of roster space.
Now, all of a sudden, Frank is a world-beater again.
But is it that Frank needed a few games to get his legs back? Or is the offensive line/scheme creating running lanes that most of us on this board could run through?
Believe me, I'm not taking shots at Frank at all. I'm just trying to put things in to perspective and give credit where credit is due.
Did you read the part that Kendal Hunter had the same play and the same size hole but only had a 6 yard gain because he couldn't make the "free" tackler miss?
Oct 20, 2011 at 11:35 AM
- LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Did you read the part that Kendal Hunter had the same play and the same size hole but only had a 6 yard gain because he couldn't make the "free" tackler miss?
Couldn't have. Why anyone wants to take anything away from Gore is beyond me. When certain players do bad, it's all their fault. When they do well, everyone else gets the credit except that player. I'm seeing it with Gore now and definitely with Alex Smith this season.
[ Edited by LifelongNiner on Oct 20, 2011 at 11:37 AM ]