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Are we calling two plays in the huddle?

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
well if we figure it out, then they are not very good at hiding this from other teams lol, i doubt its as simple as we all think. ( hopefully )

Yup.

But even if we DID know it was a run play, it's not guaranteed to be a Frank Gore dive play like in previous years.
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
well if we figure it out, then they are not very good at hiding this from other teams lol, i doubt its as simple as we all think. ( hopefully )

Yup.

But even if we DID know it was a run play, it's not guaranteed to be a Frank Gore dive play like in previous years.

The OP is saying it's 100% run every time he does that...he must not watch too much 9er football
We tried to set up this up for a play action pass at Detroit (I think) after 2 previous runs (up the gut) with Gore...but was called a false start.
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Originally posted by King49er:
I think he's calling 2 plays in the huddle, if he switches the play during audible, I think he's yelling "kill kill" or something like that, and i think the rolling motion means to continue with the first play, I could be wrong though

well if we figure it out, then they are not very good at hiding this from other teams lol, i doubt its as simple as we all think. ( hopefully )

Exactly. It goes according to the days gameplan, not some easily predictable pattern, come on it's Harbaugh not Jimmy "Uncle Fester" Raye!
Originally posted by THEMerts80:
So every game this season Alex has yelled "Let it roll, let it roll" and does a rolling motion with his arms. Every time he has done that it has been a run play. One time it was a QB run against the browns when Alex took it himself to the right side. Do you think Harbaugh has Alex do this all season till say a playoff game, and the 9ers run a play action play when they truly need to get a high efficient passing play. I just don't understand why we show our cards pre snap with the "Let it roll" signal all the time.

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Its not a run every time Alex "let it roll". Most yes, but not all. They are calling 2 plays. If see a defense we don't like we audible, if not we "let it roll".
Originally posted by marshniners24:
Originally posted by norcal49er864:
"Smith can dictate his play calls at the line of scrimmage more than in the past. He usually calls two plays in the huddle, and depending on the defense, Smith will yell out, "Let it roll" or circle his fists in front of his chest. That signals to the offense to go with the first play that's called. If he wants to go with the second play, Smith will yell, "Kill, kill" or make a slashing motion with his hand."

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/11/08/49ers-qb-alex-smith-plays-like-he-belongs/

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I've read that too. But I don't think he's privy to the team's play call. I think that's just his interpretation. A good one none the less.
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Originally posted by norcal49er864:
"Smith can dictate his play calls at the line of scrimmage more than in the past. He usually calls two plays in the huddle, and depending on the defense, Smith will yell out, "Let it roll" or circle his fists in front of his chest. That signals to the offense to go with the first play that's called. If he wants to go with the second play, Smith will yell, "Kill, kill" or make a slashing motion with his hand."

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/11/08/49ers-qb-alex-smith-plays-like-he-belongs/

This would indicate that the first play called in the huddle is usually a running play. Not surprising, since the Niners want to run the ball more often than not. But it's entirely possible that the second play ("kill, kill") is also a running play... just a different one.

Most teams practice some form of self-scouting to identify tendencies. I'm sure the 49ers do this too, and they're not gonna let Alex Smith walk up there and telegraph the play every time. Harbaugh and Roman are way too smart for that. You've also got to remember that in the Niners' offense, running plays are so innovative and multiple that the question facing the Defense is not "Run or pass?" but "How are they gonna run it?"
i just thought he was channeling his inner dante culpepper
Originally posted by THEMerts80:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by King49er:
I think he's calling 2 plays in the huddle, if he switches the play during audible, I think he's yelling "kill kill" or something like that, and i think the rolling motion means to continue with the first play, I could be wrong though

this! let it roll probably means go with the play called and kill kill means go with the other play
I remember the Kill Kill stuff that alex does as well but i never paid attention to see if it was a pass play when he yelled Kill Kill. But most definitely the let it roll plays have 100% been run plays. Its just kinda of a give away but last game still would gain at least 2 yards or more on each "Let it roll" plays

Yeah if you think like Singletary, then it would be 100% run plays. How dumb would that be if it was all run plays the defenses would catch on and no way Harbaugh and Co. would do such a thing. Watch the game a little closer before you start saying stuff like this. As a matter of fact here's proof that you're wrong...

http://youtu.be/XuuyTxsB_74?t=3m40s
[ Edited by gamechanger on Nov 9, 2011 at 8:17 AM ]
Originally posted by King49er:
I think he's calling 2 plays in the huddle, if he switches the play during audible, I think he's yelling "kill kill" or something like that, and i think the rolling motion means to continue with the first play, I could be wrong though

This is what I think also. They are allowing him to check to another play at the line based upon what he sees. Which to me is another sign of just how much they trust Alex.
So a DC or one of his assistance, would sit down watch the tapes. Seeing how the defense is set up before the snap. Jot down 'Let it roll' plays. Then the 'Kill, Kill' plays. Within a few hours of this you have the Niners' tendency to some degree. Next time during the game give Smith a certain defensive set, make sure your defense knows the likely hood of Smith going to the tendency plays. They might jump that route or know what blockings to look for.

Harbaugh and Roman must throw in a few dummy 'Let it roll' and 'Kill, Kill'. I don't see why not.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
So a DC or one of his assistance, would sit down watch the tapes. Seeing how the defense is set up before the snap. Jot down 'Let it roll' plays. Then the 'Kill, Kill' plays. Within a few hours of this you have the Niners' tendency to some degree. Next time during the game give Smith a certain defensive set, make sure your defense knows the likely hood of Smith going to the tendency plays. They might jump that route or know what blockings to look for.

Harbaugh and Roman must throw in a few dummy 'Let it roll' and 'Kill, Kill'. I don't see why not.

Those are not play calls, they call two plays in the huddle, they call a primary, then a backup. If the first play looks good against what the defense is doing they "let it roll" if the defense looks more favorable for the second play they "kill" the first play. I do not think they are necessarily a certain play, just an audible system.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
So a DC or one of his assistance, would sit down watch the tapes. Seeing how the defense is set up before the snap. Jot down 'Let it roll' plays. Then the 'Kill, Kill' plays. Within a few hours of this you have the Niners' tendency to some degree. Next time during the game give Smith a certain defensive set, make sure your defense knows the likely hood of Smith going to the tendency plays. They might jump that route or know what blockings to look for.

Harbaugh and Roman must throw in a few dummy 'Let it roll' and 'Kill, Kill'. I don't see why not.

Those are not play calls, they call two plays in the huddle, they call a primary, then a backup. If the first play looks good against what the defense is doing they "let it roll" if the defense looks more favorable for the second play they "kill" the first play. I do not think they are necessarily a certain play, just an audible system.

My point is after a while the defense will know the tendency to go to a particular play when it's 'kill'. Couple that with the defense purposely giving you their set look before the snap knowing you are most likely will go to that 'kill' play.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 9, 2011 at 8:41 AM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
So a DC or one of his assistance, would sit down watch the tapes. Seeing how the defense is set up before the snap. Jot down 'Let it roll' plays. Then the 'Kill, Kill' plays. Within a few hours of this you have the Niners' tendency to some degree. Next time during the game give Smith a certain defensive set, make sure your defense knows the likely hood of Smith going to the tendency plays. They might jump that route or know what blockings to look for.

Harbaugh and Roman must throw in a few dummy 'Let it roll' and 'Kill, Kill'. I don't see why not.

Those are not play calls, they call two plays in the huddle, they call a primary, then a backup. If the first play looks good against what the defense is doing they "let it roll" if the defense looks more favorable for the second play they "kill" the first play. I do not think they are necessarily a certain play, just an audible system.

My point is after a while the defense will know the tendency to go to a particular play when it's 'kill'. Couple that with the defense purposely giving you their set look before the snap knowing you are most likely will go to that 'kill' play.

What if they're already doing it? I'm willing to bet Alex goes into the huddle sometimes and says I'm gonna call a bunch of shyt but we're going with this play no matter what.
[ Edited by gamechanger on Nov 9, 2011 at 8:48 AM ]
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