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Originally posted by 190836:
This is the conservative version of Singletary's offense. I miss Jimmy Raye!!


below is a compairison since you want to be a wise guy about it...

week 1 2010 ( under raye).......................week two 2010...............................week one under JH..........................week two JH...................

alex smith
26/45 for 225yds 0tds 2ints....................23/32 for 275yds 1td 2ints..............15/20 for 124yds 0td 0ints...........16/24 for 179yds 2tds 1int......

frank gore
17att for 38 yds 0tds...................................20 att for 112yds 1td..................22 att for 59yds 0tds.............................20 att 47yds 1td.......
6 rec 45yds 0tds...........................................7 rec 56yds 1td.......................3 rec 19yds 0tds..................................3 rec 17yds 0tds.......

vernon davis
8 rec 73 yds.....................................................4 rec 78yds...........................5 rec 47yds............................................2 rec 18yds........


doesnt look any better to me. not to mention last years first 2 games were both against playoff teams. im betting sea nor dallas make the playoffs this year. the only real difference i see is the ints by alex. but if memory serves me correctly i think only one of those ints was actually his fault last year. the others were tipped balls. so looking at the numbers rayes offense actually produced more yards against better teams.... just saying....
[ Edited by OptimusPrime52 on Sep 19, 2011 at 8:36 PM ]
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Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
then why has cam newton who is a rookie thrown for 400yds 2 weeks in a row in the same offseason? its because he is passing the ball a hell of a lot more then only 22 times a game. he is benefiting from the playcalling. im still trying to figure out who exactly is benefiting from our playcalling because i dont see it.

what is Cam Newtons nfl win loss record?
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
then why has cam newton who is a rookie thrown for 400yds 2 weeks in a row in the same offseason? its because he is passing the ball a hell of a lot more then only 22 times a game. he is benefiting from the playcalling. im still trying to figure out who exactly is benefiting from our playcalling because i dont see it.

what is Cam Newtons nfl win loss record?
he has 1 more TD 3 more INT

and the 49ers offense have scored as many points as the panthers offense
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
then why has cam newton who is a rookie thrown for 400yds 2 weeks in a row in the same offseason? its because he is passing the ball a hell of a lot more then only 22 times a game. he is benefiting from the playcalling. im still trying to figure out who exactly is benefiting from our playcalling because i dont see it.

The answer is that Cam may be new to the system, but the rest of the team has been there for awhile. They have some pretty good receivers in Smith, Laffel, Shockey and Greg Olson. Just remember what Montana said in that interview and try to be patient. Once the line gets used to zone blocking and we get healthy, we will see better results and the coaches will call better games.

Also would like to remind you that 400 yards resulted in back to back losses with the 2nd game full of stupid plays that really cost them the game. Cam is the real deal, but he isn't winning games, and that is what the object of the game is, not to pile up yards unless it is within the game plan.

In case you forgot, Carolina changed OCs as well just like us and we also have the majority of last years offense returning. in terms of stats their run game has been almost as bad as ours has been so far. The only reason Cam is putting up those numbers is because of his athleticism and the lack of game film on him. Alex has been in the league for 6 seasons and it's not hard to go back and study his decision making and break down his play style when hes been around for so long. The entirety of the 49ers and Panthers rosters are new to their respective systems, dont make comparisons like this again please.

It's obvious that Harbaugh is holding the reins, just read VD's comments about the gameplan again, He flat out said those 2 passes were all he was meant to get and his main assignment for the day was blocking against Demarcus Ware. It doesn't matter if Harbaugh leans on the run if we can't get the right gaps for him to get more then 2.5 YPA.

What you really have to wonder is why did JH flip-flop on his decision making from last week to this week?!? Remember how we kicked a field goal and drew a penalty and JH decided to take the points off the board and do the runs up the gut??? It took 2 minutes off the clock and we ended up with another field goal....fast forward to yesterday and we are in the same exact situation, field goal that draws a penalty but yet JH decided to keep the points this time. Say in theory JH calls for 3 more runs up the gut and we take 2 minutes off the clock and the game plays out roughly the same way the Cowboys wouldn't have had the time to kick that field goal, it's hypothetical but you have to wonder what would've been. So why the change in tactics??? That's what confuses me more then anything.

To address Alex's play, he opened it up compared to last week, a 50 yard increase and looked like the offense was finally going to push the ball a bit. But it could have been a lot more promising if the play calling wasn't changed when Braylon got hurt and JH yanked on the reins again and put everything back in the bag so to speak. I'm thoroughly amazed that Alex only had one pick based on the pressure he was taking all day and he is honestly the sole reason we didn't get blown out(but what's the difference when you let go of a 10point lead and lose in OT), through a little mix of skill and luck. Holding on to the ball(luck/skill) during that attempted strip was incredible and then their was that lucky ass bounce(luck) on the bad snap that he grabbed on a one hop like a short stop(skill) and still completed the pass.

Also one of the bay area papers brought up a great point about the final minute of regulation? Why not use our time outs and force the cowboys to kick the field goal with 45 seconds left on the clock???? I can't recall if the kick was on an early down or actually on fourth but correct me if I'm wrong that if it was a first down attempt and he missed 3 times in a row and we used all 3 timeouts and he makes the 4th attempt we would still be left with a possible kickoff return from Ginn and 25-30 seconds of clock to get into position for our own field goal or attempt the end zone. Definitely a questionable decision and we didn't even ice him(even though I don't really believe icing actually works.)

So in all honesty the fans should be wondering when Harbaugh is going to take the training wheels off and let Alex play like JH has been saying he will and secondly when will JH find this identity not only for the offense and defense but for his coaching tactics.
[ Edited by sfout on Sep 19, 2011 at 8:49 PM ]
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I'll give Jimmy Raye one thing he knew how to utilize Vernon Davis on offense.Or maybe he was just asleep and Davis just freelanced
Originally posted by sfout:
In case you forgot, Carolina changed OCs as well just like us and we also have the majority of last years offense returning. in terms of stats their run game has been almost as bad as ours has been so far. The only reason Cam is putting up those numbers is because of his athleticism and the lack of game film on him. Alex has been in the league for 6 seasons and it's not hard to go back and study his decision making and break down his play style when hes been around for so long. The entirety of the 49ers and Panthers rosters are new to their respective systems, dont make comparisons like this again please.

It's obvious that Harbaugh is holding the reins, just read VD's comments about the gameplan again, He flat out said those 2 passes were all he was meant to get and his main assignment for the day was blocking against Demarcus Ware. It doesn't matter if Harbaugh leans on the run if we can't get the right gaps for him to get more then 2.5 YPA.

What you really have to wonder is why did JH flip-flop on his decision making from last week to this week?!? Remember how we kicked a field goal and drew a penalty and JH decided to take the points off the board and do the runs up the gut??? It took 2 minutes off the clock and we ended up with another field goal....fast forward to yesterday and we are in the same exact situation, field goal that draws a penalty but yet JH decided to keep the points this time. Say in theory JH calls for 3 more runs up the gut and we take 2 minutes off the clock and the game plays out roughly the same way the Cowboys wouldn't have had the time to kick that field goal, it's hypothetical but you have to wonder what would've been. So why the change in tactics??? That's what confuses me more then anything.

To address Alex's play, he opened it up compared to last week, a 50 yard increase and looked like the offense was finally going to push the ball a bit. But it could have been a lot more promising if the play calling wasn't changed when Braylon got hurt and JH yanked on the reins again and put everything back in the bag so to speak. I'm thoroughly amazed that Alex only had one pick based on the pressure he was taking all day and he is honestly the sole reason we didn't get blown out(but what's the difference when you let go of a 10point lead and lose in OT), through a little mix of skill and luck. Holding on to the ball(luck/skill) during that attempted strip was incredible and then their was that lucky ass bounce(luck) on the bad snap that he grabbed on a one hop like a short stop(skill) and still completed the pass.

Also one of the bay area papers brought up a great point about the final minute of regulation? Why not use our time outs and force the cowboys to kick the field goal with 45 seconds left on the clock???? I can't recall if the kick was on an early down or actually on fourth but correct me if I'm wrong that if it was a first down attempt and he missed 3 times in a row and we used all 3 timeouts and he makes the 4th attempt we would still be left with a possible kickoff return from Ginn and 25-30 seconds of clock to get into position for our own field goal or attempt the end zone. Definitely a questionable decision and we didn't even ice him(even though I don't really believe icing actually works.)

So in all honesty the fans should be wondering when Harbaugh is going to take the training wheels off and let Alex play like JH has been saying he will and secondly when will JH find this identity not only for the offense and defense but for his coaching tactics.


cam is throwing for all of those yds because he is asked to do so and no other reason. its definitely not because nobody has seen him play and there is no tape to study. the whole damn country has seen what cam newton can do, you are talking about mr espn poster boy. alex on the other hand is not even asked to throw for 200 yds. thats my whole fricking point here. we arent calling any aggressive plays and we dont do anything but play conservative.

and what are you talking about kicking the ball 4 times? you only get to kick the ball once no matter what down it is. once you kick it and it leaves your foot, you are sending possession to the other team. the only reason team sometimes try on third down is in case its a bad snap. then the holder can just fall on it and go to 4th down and then they get to try the kick again.

take the training wheels off?

why the hell did he even put them on?
wait til we get our offensive line up to speed. deep routes need more time than short routes. harbaugh knows with our line playing like this deep routes would only get smith killed.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
short offseason= limited playbook


this is so obvious we even as a fan base discussed this going into the season
hell even harbaugh and roman said it


it wont take off and we wont use our full playbook till we master it which will probally be only week 8 or 9 but we should look a lot better after teh bye week

also expect our playbook to open up a bit more week by week

I think that's it. Short offseason and limited playbook. We are way behind other teams. A lot of them had the same HC, OC and system for years. We had this terrible offseason where we couldn't get any work done an now we are expected to make this work. Of course that has to have an effect.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
short offseason= limited playbook


this is so obvious we even as a fan base discussed this going into the season
hell even harbaugh and roman said it


it wont take off and we wont use our full playbook till we master it which will probally be only week 8 or 9 but we should look a lot better after teh bye week

also expect our playbook to open up a bit more week by week
He also found out his oline of first rounders cant block! lol until the oline improves the 5 and 7 step drops will be owned by the defense.

And im dissappointed in frank gore, he isn't running hard like he's scared to get hurt..
[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Sep 19, 2011 at 10:26 PM ]
We have to be patient and trust Harbaugh. Alex had no Braylon or Crabs in the 4th Q and the DAL D was ready for the pass every time and Alex was getting punked in the pocket. This O-Line would have any QB hearing footsteps. I do think that Harbaugh will find a way to get VD the ball this week and he will have a HUGE game in CIN. I can't understand that with two WR's out he didn't find a way to get VD the ball, but I assure you that VD will have a fantastic year and Harbaugh will open it up in time to give us a shot at the Division.
[ Edited by DieHardNiner82 on Sep 19, 2011 at 10:34 PM ]
A little early to tell but maybe JH isn't what he's cracked up to be
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
A little early to tell but maybe JH isn't what he's cracked up to be

Rookie NFL coach in his first year with the lockout, give it some f**king time. He's not Jesus
Originally posted by Godsleftsock:
Rookie NFL coach in his first year with the lockout, give it some f**king time. He's not Jesus

You would think a godly coach like the majority of niners fans made him out to be would be able to make adjustments. Like I said to early to tell but the team plays like last year, can't close out games, coaches can't recognise when the D stacks the box over and over again, and the biggest we have are not opening up the O.. rookie HC or not he needs to get smarter
There needs to be balance. First half passing 18 times = awesome. We were up 14-0.

2nd half Smith throws 6 passes and Cowboys score 27 points.

Is it too much to ask for 15/15? 20/20? 10/10? Etc etc? Not exactly those numbers but just some balance. We completely shriveled up in the second half. Straight cuckolded.
In my opinion, we are nowhere near running enough misdirection or double-moves, etc.

I WANT TO SEE SLANT-AND-GO Routes. PLEASE. Run a couple slants. Get the CBs positioned to defend it. With eight in the box.. run a slant-and-go.. let Alex pump.. and watch the receiver just be GONE.. blazing wide open down the field. Alex has dropped the ball over the top of defenders to Vernon a million times, he can do it with other receivers too. TRY IT.

Please. Please. PLEASE make them pay for loading the box. We are calling next to NOTHING to do this. Either that or when we do the OL has failed to allow enough time to get the deep pass off.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Sep 19, 2011 at 11:53 PM ]
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