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A big Implosion?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
While I agree with most of your post, selling the Niners' job to Harbaugh would be like me selling the idea of dating a Victoria's Secret to the average board member. Harbaugh wanted to stay local, and wanted a head coaching job in the NFL. There was only one fit, the Niners.

As I have been saying for some time now, it is amateur hour in 49ers headquarters, and the chaos surrounding the team, and colossal list of gaffs this have been part of this offseason shows that change is needed at the top.

Let's stop playing around with guys who don't know what they are doing, and bring in some guys who do. Not a difficult proposition.
Um, this is preseason. We were 4-0 in the preseason last year. Does anyone here actually know how preseason works? They don't game plan. They run plays that they would normally never run in the same circumstances in the regular season. Does the team need work? It seems so. But there isn't a person on this site that knows what the coaches are working on. No one knows what the line would be doing in the regular season. No one knows what blitzes the defense would be sending in the same circumstances in the regular season. Everyone on this board is clueless. I just seem to be one of the few that knows I'm clueless. Those of you making judgements based on preseason games, is extra clueless. Just sayin'.
Originally posted by 9erlover:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
While I agree with most of your post, selling the Niners' job to Harbaugh would be like me selling the idea of dating a Victoria's Secret to the average board member. Harbaugh wanted to stay local, and wanted a head coaching job in the NFL. There was only one fit, the Niners.

As I have been saying for some time now, it is amateur hour in 49ers headquarters, and the chaos surrounding the team, and colossal list of gaffs this have been part of this offseason shows that change is needed at the top.

Let's stop playing around with guys who don't know what they are doing, and bring in some guys who do. Not a difficult proposition.
Um, this is preseason. We were 4-0 in the preseason last year. Does anyone here actually know how preseason works? They don't game plan. They run plays that they would normally never run in the same circumstances in the regular season. Does the team need work? It seems so. But there isn't a person on this site that knows what the coaches are working on. No one knows what the line would be doing in the regular season. No one knows what blitzes the defense would be sending in the same circumstances in the regular season. Everyone on this board is clueless. I just seem to be one of the few that knows I'm clueless. Those of you making judgements based on preseason games, is extra clueless. Just sayin'.

Even a clueless person can observe that it helps an offense when the starting QB has as many live game day preseason reps with his starting offense. 4-0 last season yet the starting QB didn't get as many reps as other teams' starting QB's. But you must understand that they will apply what they learned in practice exactly how they practiced it, right?

What did we learn from Dinglebary and Nowin?
1. A fake QB competion is not good.
2. Taking away reps from the starting QB when learning a new offense is not good.
3. Taking away playing time with one group to build chemistry is not good.
4. Thinking about giving a college gimick offense QB regular season playing time is not good.

Harbaugh seems to agree with Nowin and Dinglebary so far.
But you guys shouldn't be concerned because our offense will magically gel in Game 1.
PPL calm down....they guy was out there during warm ups...not practice...we talkin about "not practice"...not a real practice with real helmets and defensive backs...we talkin about "not practice"....When was the last time you classified throwing the football around with your kid in the back yard as “practice”…common sense says the league will do nothing about this…
What really bothers me, is it took a field reporter (Cam Iman) to ask a 49er team official about Crabtree participating in practice to any extent under NFL rules for a player still on the PUP list.. That official then goes to Baalke, who was watching the drill and told him, then Baalke goes to Harbaugh and tells him..

Harbaugh - His first year, he is making some rookie mistakes, I think he'll be fine..

But for a reporter to notify a team official who then notifies the GM? It doesn't seem like a big issue, but gosh that just doesn't sit well with me.. I dunno man.. Things don't seem to positive around 4949 these days and haven't been for a while. When things are bad, every thing is, even the little things.
Originally posted by Eduardo75:
What really bothers me, is it took a field reporter (Cam Iman) to ask a 49er team official about Crabtree participating in practice to any extent under NFL rules for a player still on the PUP list.. That official then goes to Baalke, who was watching the drill and told him, then Baalke goes to Harbaugh and tells him..

Harbaugh - His first year, he is making some rookie mistakes, I think he'll be fine..

But for a reporter to notify a team official who then notifies the GM? It doesn't seem like a big issue, but gosh that just doesn't sit well with me.. I dunno man.. Things don't seem to positive around 4949 these days and haven't been for a while. When things are bad, every thing is, even the little things.
Harbaugh is making similar decisions that compare to Nowin and Singletary. Not good.
Originally posted by 9erlover:
Um, this is preseason. We were 4-0 in the preseason last year. Does anyone here actually know how preseason works? They don't game plan. They run plays that they would normally never run in the same circumstances in the regular season. Does the team need work? It seems so. But there isn't a person on this site that knows what the coaches are working on. No one knows what the line would be doing in the regular season. No one knows what blitzes the defense would be sending in the same circumstances in the regular season. Everyone on this board is clueless. I just seem to be one of the few that knows I'm clueless. Those of you making judgements based on preseason games, is extra clueless. Just sayin'.
It is the preseason, and the games are meaningless in regards to the 2011 record. I did not freak out over the Saints game, where the team was caught off guard in the 1st preseason game by a Saints coach who threw everything at the Niners.

However, the 3rd preseason game is the most crucial game, and the team was clearly not even close to being ready. We have a coach very frustrated, position coaches scratching their heads, players doing soul searching, and the overall feeling that things are on the wrong track. Not a good sign for a first year NFL head coach, in a transitional offense, in a limited preseason, with a QB who has struggled, and an unhappy RB, behind a broken offensive line that hasn't even declared a clear starter at center and right guard.

You are not clueless, but overly optimistic that the team can simply flip the switch and everything will come together. Maybe I am too skeptical.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Maybe I am too skeptical.

gee... ya think?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by 9erlover:
Um, this is preseason. We were 4-0 in the preseason last year. Does anyone here actually know how preseason works? They don't game plan. They run plays that they would normally never run in the same circumstances in the regular season. Does the team need work? It seems so. But there isn't a person on this site that knows what the coaches are working on. No one knows what the line would be doing in the regular season. No one knows what blitzes the defense would be sending in the same circumstances in the regular season. Everyone on this board is clueless. I just seem to be one of the few that knows I'm clueless. Those of you making judgements based on preseason games, is extra clueless. Just sayin'.
It is the preseason, and the games are meaningless in regards to the 2011 record. I did not freak out over the Saints game, where the team was caught off guard in the 1st preseason game by a Saints coach who threw everything at the Niners.

However, the 3rd preseason game is the most crucial game, and the team was clearly not even close to being ready. We have a coach very frustrated, position coaches scratching their heads, players doing soul searching, and the overall feeling that things are on the wrong track. Not a good sign for a first year NFL head coach, in a transitional offense, in a limited preseason, with a QB who has struggled, and an unhappy RB, behind a broken offensive line that hasn't even declared a clear starter at center and right guard.

You are not clueless, but overly optimistic that the team can simply flip the switch and everything will come together. Maybe I am too skeptical.

What are your thoughts about Alex Smith not getting more reps and a rookie 2nd rounder from a gimmick offense getting nearly as many reps as the starting QB? I mean, doen't these offensive starters needs as many reps together as possible?
Originally posted by Joecool:
What are your thoughts about Alex Smith not getting more reps and a rookie 2nd rounder from a gimmick offense getting nearly as many reps as the starting QB? I mean, doen't these offensive starters needs as many reps together as possible?

Whatever happened to the usual WZ rhetoric about how snaps in practice and pre-season won't matter for Alex because he only folds when games matter?
Why not a report of how Crabtree was running? Able to cut, stop, go fast? Nearly ready?
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
What are your thoughts about Alex Smith not getting more reps and a rookie 2nd rounder from a gimmick offense getting nearly as many reps as the starting QB? I mean, doen't these offensive starters needs as many reps together as possible?

Whatever happened to the usual WZ rhetoric about how snaps in practice and pre-season won't matter for Alex because he only folds when games matter?


When Nowin took starter reps away, it was the first time.
When Sinletary took starter reps away, it was mentioned but the players had already played together before but it did not go unoticed.
Now Harbaugh is doing the exact same thing and ...we are closing our eyes.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times,...um...don't care if you are deemed as a QB whisperer, didn't work in the past and won't work now.
Originally posted by Joecool:
When Nowin took starter reps away, it was the first time.
When Sinletary took starter reps away, it was mentioned but the players had already played together before but it did not go unoticed.
Now Harbaugh is doing the exact same thing and ...we are closing our eyes.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times,...um...don't care if you are deemed as a QB whisperer, didn't work in the past and won't work now.

Or you could look at it like this...

Harbaugh has seen all he needs to see from Alex. When he looks at our OL protection, he cringes, and realizes that he better NOT put Alex behind that crap or two things could happen. (1) Alex gets mangled and misses time with injury (2) Alex's happy feet return and his mind stays too rattled to do his job.

I do get what you are saying, and it has to take away from the starter's overall comfort when you reduce snaps. But better that, than to get the QB injured or rattled before you can address the real concern (OL protection) first.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
When Nowin took starter reps away, it was the first time.
When Sinletary took starter reps away, it was mentioned but the players had already played together before but it did not go unoticed.
Now Harbaugh is doing the exact same thing and ...we are closing our eyes.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times,...um...don't care if you are deemed as a QB whisperer, didn't work in the past and won't work now.

Or you could look at it like this...

Harbaugh has seen all he needs to see from Alex. When he looks at our OL protection, he cringes, and realizes that he better NOT put Alex behind that crap or two things could happen. (1) Alex gets mangled and misses time with injury (2) Alex's happy feet return and his mind stays too rattled to do his job.

I do get what you are saying, and it has to take away from the starter's overall comfort when you reduce snaps. But better that, than to get the QB injured or rattled before you can address the real concern (OL protection) first.

Perfect! Alex can get mangled in a real game instead of in a preseason game where he can communicate and make adjustments with his OL/RB/WR's and coach.

Maybe the bold was Nowin's and Singletary's genius plan also. But I'm sure they won't get credit for that idea.
judging a first year coach in a shortened offseason through 3 preseason games. you guys are setting your expectations way too high if you think hes gonna turn this team around in a couple months from the huge pile of dog s**t that the team has been for the last decade or so. give it some time, we will see an improvement but it wont be instantly. anyone with atleast a little common sense should know that.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
When Nowin took starter reps away, it was the first time.
When Sinletary took starter reps away, it was mentioned but the players had already played together before but it did not go unoticed.
Now Harbaugh is doing the exact same thing and ...we are closing our eyes.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times,...um...don't care if you are deemed as a QB whisperer, didn't work in the past and won't work now.

Or you could look at it like this...

Harbaugh has seen all he needs to see from Alex. When he looks at our OL protection, he cringes, and realizes that he better NOT put Alex behind that crap or two things could happen. (1) Alex gets mangled and misses time with injury (2) Alex's happy feet return and his mind stays too rattled to do his job.

I do get what you are saying, and it has to take away from the starter's overall comfort when you reduce snaps. But better that, than to get the QB injured or rattled before you can address the real concern (OL protection) first.

Perfect! Alex can get mangled in a real game instead of in a preseason game where he can communicate and make adjustments with his OL/RB/WR's and coach.

Maybe the bold was Nowin's and Singletary's genius plan also. But I'm sure they won't get credit for that idea.

way to completely overlook the bolded part there...