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Preseason week 1: The Good; The Ugly; The Same Old from Last Year

BAD:O Line not existing!

Expected: Kaepernick not being ready
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Gotta love the nfl network preseason package. We can really go back and easily review a play multiple times. It has a 10sec rewind and a 10second fast forward, it allows you to continuously review a play looking at all the angles. great stuff. Review the two worse hits on smith I noticed a few things.

The first play was a 3rd and 7 and after it's conclusion, Staley was livid with Iupati. The defense disguised their cover 4 as a cover 2 with bump n run. When the play starts you see the front 6 and the NCB come on an all out blitz. Iupati blocks down on the DT where he should have picked up the RDE. Staley was putting a chip on the RDE and then went to pick up the NCB. Unfortunately Iupati did not hear or missed the pass off and the RDE came barreling in on smith and got to him as he reached his 3 step drop. The DB where all a few yards pass the first down marker waiting on the receivers whom all were running skinny posts. Given time and the pass being accurate the play would have resulted in an easy first down. That defensive front was well disguised and not a basic vanilla preseason blitz.

The second play I wont go into great detail into, The niners where in a 22 formation, if I remember correctly that means two rb two te and 1 wr. The saints bring 7 on the blitz including the a Saftey. Smith runs a play action and a 5 step drop and once again is demolished as he reaches his drop point.

Both plays smith was decked as he reached his drop point, disgusting oline play.

IF you want contrast go watch some of the TB oline. Freeman is able to sit back there for ever and read and react.


Thank you for the info! I couldn't watch much of the game last night and did not record!
Going into the draft -- I forewarned many of Anthony Davis' enormous inconsistencies and inability to handle speed rushers. What to do you know... despite still being young, he has yet to show any improvement in either of those areas.

Would have definitely preferred Bulaga, or Charles Brown later on.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Aug 13, 2011 at 9:15 AM ]
Good: Our starting D shut down NO! Aldon Smith! Akers! (doesn't get any love), same Gore

Bad: Dixon, Our backup defense, our QB play

Ugly: Oline!

Let's keep this in perspective...
-The Aints are the same team from last year. They have 6 weeks of player-led OTAs. They are one of the top teams coming into the season and are very well prepared. And our starting D still shut them down. Our offense is another story
-Harbaugh's offense was EXTREMELY vanilla. I hoped that was true in previous years with Sing, but did not prove to be once the season started. I can't imagine Harbaugh's offense being as basic as it was last night. There was some good misdirection, but not a ton of motioning and scheming.
-Kap shows some good flashes, but is definitely not ready. I would go on to suggest that his "flashes" may be enough to be ready by midseason.
-Alex was getting abused, and as much as I would like to bash the guy, it is unfair to do so. We are without Crabs, Edwards (played little), supposedly our top WRs.

Overall, it was a good learning experience for the team and Harbaugh. I hope all preseason is like this, although maybe not quite as bad, so when HArbaugh does unveil his offense, people will be dumbfounded. If we see the Aint's again, I bet Harbaugh abuses them (i.e. run the score up) if he gets the chance.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by CrownJP:
I am guessing you didnt watch the game ... And if you did you do not understand anything about the QB position or how an offense operates successfully ... You see its quiet simple really, if you have no time to throw the ball you can not make quick enough adjustments, because you are rushed and that is what causes him to throw the ball behind and low .... if he has time he generally plays well ... just because you have blind hate for Alex doesnt mean you can just be blind to the fact that the OLine did nothing to block anyone ... I mean i read these posts about Alex this and Alex that and all of these arm chair QBs who sit back and say he sucks and he shouldve just done this or thrown it here or there ... How many of you have even played QB??? Do you even know what it takes to move in the pocket or to have 3-4 people in your face as you throw??? More then likely you do not ... you sit there and ignore the fact that he had A) NO TIME TO THROW THE BALL and B) HE HAS HAD 5 F**KING PRACTICES WITH HIS OFFENSE ... My God People .... Step back off the ledge

Yeah you are right I didn't watch the game... I didn't fault smith for being hit/ sacked did I? No! That was VD blowing assignments and Anthony Davis not being able to handle speed rushers. Oline looked terrible, and they were unprepared but that doesnt change the fact when smith had time (and he did on 5 or so plays) he looked terrible! Theres always an excuse for smith, but THE FACT IS, HE ISNT ACCURATE! Pass to VD, ball at his feet (incomplete), Pass to Edwards, behind him (incomplete) Pass to either Walker or VD (not near anyone, but that was prob walkers fault). Good qb's are pressured too, but they remain calm and step up and still get off an accurate pass, smith can't do it. Point remains smith has no pocket presence, no accuracy, and once he gets flustered he has no composure.

As I recall, Alex was at fault for 2 passes. One of the first passes that fell low to VD (and VD was even motioning for Alex to put it a lil higher) and the Braylon Edwards slant that was behind him (one of if not his last pass attempt). Everything else was on the OL, IMHO.

On the first pass that was low to VD, Smith had the DE in his face with his hands up. He was forced to throw off his back foot and appeared to be throwing around the hands of the DE who was taking away the lead in the throw.
Originally posted by maximill15:
Yeah you are right I didn't watch the game... I didn't fault smith for being hit/ sacked did I? No! That was VD blowing assignments and Anthony Davis not being able to handle speed rushers. Oline looked terrible, and they were unprepared but that doesnt change the fact when smith had time (and he did on 5 or so plays) he looked terrible! Theres always an excuse for smith, but THE FACT IS, HE ISNT ACCURATE! Pass to VD, ball at his feet (incomplete), Pass to Edwards, behind him (incomplete) Pass to either Walker or VD (not near anyone, but that was prob walkers fault). Good qb's are pressured too, but they remain calm and step up and still get off an accurate pass, smith can't do it. Point remains smith has no pocket presence, no accuracy, and once he gets flustered he has no composure.

So you're saying Alex wasn't blitz or had guys in his face on all 5 of his incompletions. He threw 7 passes and completed 2. So basically Smith had time on every pass play? I love how blind people are. Maybe you didn't watch the game. He was at fault for the VD and Edwards pass's. But he came back and hit Edwards on the exact slant route for a first down. I would rather him make the second pass than the first. Give him a sec. to shake the rust off, and not have a guy in his face.
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Aug 13, 2011 at 9:21 AM ]
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Bad - Pass protection. All of it. Not just the OL.

No reason to expect that much pressure, w/those exotic blitzes in week 1 preseason. Dick move by Greg Williams. I hope he catches the Superherpes . With limited practices, the coaches probably didn't even rep Saints-specific blitzes (still installing basic O)


Agreed. Williams is an ass! I'm sure JH will remember this and hopefully we get the chance for payback very soon. I mean, we've barely had time to install basic offense and they throw every blitz package they have at us? in the FIRST pre-season game??? We won't forget this N.O.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by CrownJP:
I am guessing you didnt watch the game ... And if you did you do not understand anything about the QB position or how an offense operates successfully ... You see its quiet simple really, if you have no time to throw the ball you can not make quick enough adjustments, because you are rushed and that is what causes him to throw the ball behind and low .... if he has time he generally plays well ... just because you have blind hate for Alex doesnt mean you can just be blind to the fact that the OLine did nothing to block anyone ... I mean i read these posts about Alex this and Alex that and all of these arm chair QBs who sit back and say he sucks and he shouldve just done this or thrown it here or there ... How many of you have even played QB??? Do you even know what it takes to move in the pocket or to have 3-4 people in your face as you throw??? More then likely you do not ... you sit there and ignore the fact that he had A) NO TIME TO THROW THE BALL and B) HE HAS HAD 5 F**KING PRACTICES WITH HIS OFFENSE ... My God People .... Step back off the ledge

Yeah you are right I didn't watch the game... I didn't fault smith for being hit/ sacked did I? No! That was VD blowing assignments and Anthony Davis not being able to handle speed rushers. Oline looked terrible, and they were unprepared but that doesnt change the fact when smith had time (and he did on 5 or so plays) he looked terrible! Theres always an excuse for smith, but THE FACT IS, HE ISNT ACCURATE! Pass to VD, ball at his feet (incomplete), Pass to Edwards, behind him (incomplete) Pass to either Walker or VD (not near anyone, but that was prob walkers fault). Good qb's are pressured too, but they remain calm and step up and still get off an accurate pass, smith can't do it. Point remains smith has no pocket presence, no accuracy, and once he gets flustered he has no composure.

As I recall, Alex was at fault for 2 passes. One of the first passes that fell low to VD (and VD was even motioning for Alex to put it a lil higher) and the Braylon Edwards slant that was behind him (one of if not his last pass attempt). Everything else was on the OL, IMHO.

On the first pass that was low to VD, Smith had the DE in his face with his hands up. He was forced to throw off his back foot and appeared to be throwing around the hands of the DE who was taking away the lead in the throw.

Okay, I'll have to look at it when I get the chance. This is what I get for judging the play after only watching it once live.
Im sorry folks, but this team CANNOT win with Alex Smith as quarterback. All I ever hear is the Smith apologists make excuses for him year in and year out. The oline, his age, bad fielding, coaches.

Do you not see it.....he is a BUST. And although it didnt bother me that his putrid play got the likes of Nolan and Singletary out of Ninerland, Id hate to see him ride out a quality coach like Harbaugh because "he's a nice guy".

Same old Alex.....failed again.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
So you're saying Alex wasn't blitz or had guys in his face on all 5 of his incompletions. He threw 7 passes and completed 2. So basically Smith had time on every pass play? I love how blind people are. Maybe you didn't watch the game. He was at fault for the VD and Edwards pass's. But he came back and hit Edwards on the exact slant route for a first down. I would rather him make the second pass than the first. Give him a sec. to shake the rust off, and not have a guy in his face.

yea sorry didnt count out the 5 exact passes, the plays i referenced are the ones i had problems with. but its been 6 years of the same thing
This was a first preseason game in which no team in the league had more than a week or a week and a half of practice. Of course they hadn't worked out complex blitz protection schemes. Nobody had. I've been watching preseason games for decades now and I have NEVER seen a team blitz like the Saints did last night. That was one of the biggest dick moves I've ever seen a defense pull - a complete slap in the face to Harbaugh. Harbaugh and the Niners are staying classy and not complaining that much, but really, have any of you ever seen anything even remotely similar to that stunt the Saints pulled. I guarantee you Harbaugh is angry about it and he will definitely not forget it. One of these days, the Niners are going to be on the winning side of a regular season game and Harbaugh is going to just keep grinding away and rubbing it in. And, the Saints will deserve every minute of it. In the NFL, everything comes around at some point. There will be payback one of these days.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
This was a first preseason game in which no team in the league had more than a week or a week and a half of practice. Of course they hadn't worked out complex blitz protection schemes. Nobody had. I've been watching preseason games for decades now and I have NEVER seen a team blitz like the Saints did last night. That was one of the biggest dick moves I've ever seen a defense pull - a complete slap in the face to Harbaugh. Harbaugh and the Niners are staying classy and not complaining that much, but really, have any of you ever seen anything even remotely similar to that stunt the Saints pulled. I guarantee you Harbaugh is angry about it and he will definitely not forget it. One of these days, the Niners are going to be on the winning side of a regular season game and Harbaugh is going to just keep grinding away and rubbing it in. And, the Saints will deserve every minute of it. In the NFL, everything comes around at some point. There will be payback one of these days.

or like every other team in the league, they have no respect for our qb play, they will keep blitzing us in the reg season too, cause we can't capitalize on it
I think everyone should be very excited by Aldon Smith and the defense as a whole. The Niner defense played straight up - they could have responded with a bunch of blitzing, but they didn't. They beat the first team Saints offense hands down with no tricks. This is a very encouraging sign. They were playing without a number of starters and they just shut Drew Brees and the Saints offense down.
maximil15, historically, nobody does a lot of blitzing in the preseason. Ask around. This season, teams didn't even have the time to start working on blitz protection packages. This might be good for the Niners to get a slap in the face right off the bat. All they were doing during the first week was installing basic formations and learning the plays. Blitz protection is always later in the process. Everyone knows this. That's why what the Saints did was such a no-class stunt. But, I expect the Niners to get a LOT better at handling the blitz by the time the regular season starts.